Gilestone: It’s All About Water

Over three years ago, with ‘Gilestone: Thinking Outside The Box‘, I suggested that the ‘Welsh Government’s controversial £4.25m purchase of Gilestone farm is about the transfer of water.

Much of what follows may look, superficially, like a rehash of that earlier piece; if so, it’s because that’s unavoidable in bringing the story up to date.

But there is more evidence. Which convinces me I was right.

THE BACKGROUND

We’ll start by looking at what I think are the major milestones in this saga, in the order they happened.

1/ The Thomas family, who owned Gilestone pre-2010, had problems with the (then) Brecon Beacons National Park. They felt hounded. It cost them a lot of money to fight officialdom, and resulted in them selling up in October 2010.

(A curious feature of the business was that the solicitor acting for the Park was a Julie James. Who, in May 2011, became the Labour Assembly Member for Swansea West.)

2/ Next, seemingly out of the blue, a buyer in the form of Charles Weston turned up. He bought Gilestone for £900,000 through his company Sharpness and Severn Transport Ltd, re-named CWW Farming Ltd in November 2019. (Though the title document I’ve linked to does not cover all the Gilestone land.)

(Sharpness, Bristol, Newport, and Cardiff, are the major ports on the upper Severn estuary.)

3/ In March 2018 Dŵr Cymru Welsh Water (DCWW) organised a trip to Wales for representatives of the Watershed Agricultural Council based in the Catskill Mountains of New York State. This is the body responsible for keeping the Big Apple’s water supply up to standard. This visit was reciprocated in October 2019, when a party from the Beacons visited the Catskills.

(Which meant DCWW was studying a model under which a rural catchment area supplied water to a metropolis some 100 miles away.)

4/ This link resulted in DCWW setting up the Brecon Beacons Mega Catchment (BBMC). Though apart from the change of name to Bannau Brycheiniog I can’t see much recent activity on the website. There’s been nothing on the Facebook page since July 2022 and the Twitter/X account has been closed.

Next, in May 2020, the Beacons Water Group CIC (BWG) was launched.

The Beacons Water Group was established under Welsh Water’s Bannau Brycheiniog Mega Catchment initiative (BBMC), our landscape-scale approach to safeguarding our drinking water sources now and for the future.

Among the founders we find Weston of Gilestone and his next-door neighbour across the River Usk. (Weston left BWG in October 2022.)

BWG definitely enjoys political support. As does DCWW, which seems to get a free pass from the ‘Welsh Government’ and ‘environmental’ groups when it comes to river pollution, with farmers copping all the blame. One director, Hugh Martineau, was an ‘advisor’ with Coleg Soros in Talgarth.

5/ In March 2022 the ‘Welsh Government’ bought Gilestone farm for £4.25m. The reason given was to allow the Green Man Festival to expand from its Glanusk Estate site.

OK, that’s enough background. Let’s try to put meat on the bones and get up to date with other developments and findings.

FILLING IT OUT, RECENT DEVELOPMENTS

What I suggested back in October 2022 was that the key to understanding the purchase of Gilestone might lie in the proximity of, on the one side, the River Usk, and the other side, The Monmouthshire and Breconshire canal.

Even so, this in itself tells you little. For it to make sense we need to link this abundance of H2O in Wales to southern England running dry of the stuff.

And let’s remember that, in addition to the river and the canal, Gilestone is just a couple of kilometres from Llangorse Lake to the north east and the same distance from Talybont reservoir to the south west.

The reservoir already connects with the Usk very near to Gilestone. It would be relatively simple to connect the lake.

I explain this because taking water from Wales has long been a favoured option to meet the increasing shortages in southern England. Boris Johnson talked about it in 2011. Johnson’s name was invoked in August 2022 in renewed calls for a national water grid.

As Nation.Cymru put it, quoting the Daily Mail:

Senior Conservatives are floating the idea of a ‘Great Boris Canal’ named after the outgoing Prime Minister to transfer water from the north of Wales to the south of England.

Though this plan has water from Llyn Efyrnwy diverted into the river and then into the Severn just over the border. As this Guardian article from March 2023 explains.

The “Cotswold canals” mentioned must be the Thames and Severn Canal, currently being restored.

Alternatively, the water will be piped straight into the Severn. Then it will be abstracted lower down, either at Deerhurst, north east of Cheltenham, or near to Sharpness.

Which serves to remind us that Charles Weston bought Gilestone farm in the name of Sharpness and Severn Transport Ltd, based in Sharpness docks. Where the Gloucester and Sharpness canal begins, connecting with the Thames and Severn canal in Gloucester.

It seems like every which way we turn in the Gilestone saga we hit water.

Taking us further and further away from farming and music festivals.

While the plan to transfer water from Wales to southern England has been mooted for decades, one reason for increased urgency in recent years is the planned growth in the numbers of AI data centres.

But it’s not just London and the south of England affected, there are other areas that will need much more water. Such as Cambridge, where there are (somewhat vague) plans for a ‘Forest City‘ of one million people.

One of those behind the plan, while admitting that water from Wales is a serious option, fears we Welsh are a bit touchy about the subject. Us!

Maybe that’s why the talk is of using rivers and canals. Perhaps some people think we’ll be too stupid to notice.

Having mentioned AI data centres, it’s worth remembering we have them in Wales, too. Especially around Newport and Cardiff. With more planned. Let’s get back to Gilestone.

We’ve seen that the River Usk and the Monmouthshire and Breconshire canal flow over or close by the property. Both waterways then run in a southeasterly direction towards Newport and the Bristol Channel.

My original thinking was that water could be transferred in either direction, whichever best suited the purpose of the exercise at any given time. But the canal only runs to Cwmbran, and is now effectively banned from taking water from the river.

As this piece from the Brecon & Radnor Express last month explains:

Earlier this year, Natural Resources Wales imposed new restrictions on the canal’s long-standing abstraction licence from the River Usk. It means that during periods of low water, the canal is no longer permitted to draw water from the river – a supply it has relied on for more than a century.

This has affected those who rely on the canal for their livelihoods, largely in the tourism businesses. Which seems to have resulted in intervention by the ‘Welsh Government’ with what looks like compensation.

With £5m announced in July. And what appears to be further funding announced earlier this month.

It seems clear that the flow of water in the Usk is a priority, and must be safeguarded.

CONCLUDING THOUGHTS

Earlier I said that Charles Weston of Sharpness & Severn Transport had turned up at Gilestone out of blue. Perhaps I made him sound like a wraith appearing from nowhere. Which would be misleading.

Because before buying Gilestone Weston had, in 2004, bought 182 acres at Tan-y-fedw, south of Sennybridge. This sits on Afon Crai, which runs into the reservoir a few kilometres south.

And as AI Overview says of the reservoir: ” . . . much of its water is diverted to the Swansea Valley, while the remainder flows down to meet the Usk”.

Four years later he bought 76 acres at Allt-fechan, a couple of kilometres north west of Brecon. This holding stands on Ysgir Fechan, which runs into Afon Ysgir, which runs a few more kilometres into . . . the Usk.

Having received its orders from London the ‘Welsh Government’ plays its loyal part in this scheme. We see politicos, DCWW, and Natural Resources Wales, all working towards the objective . . . without being able to say what they’re really up to.

With the ‘environmental’ lobby chipping in. Remember Gail Davies-Walsh, former employee of DCWW, now of front organisation Afonydd Cymru, which shields the water company from criticism by blaming farmers for all river pollution?

Re-acquaint yourself with Gail by scrolling down in this piece from three years ago. Read her contribution to this article from March this year.

In the very same building in Talgarth where Afonydd Cymru is based we find the cross-border Wye and Usk Foundation, with its staff of 34 and its considerable income. Roughly half the grant money comes from that generous old soul, “Other“.

Ah! sweet Talgarth. Home of that noted and venerable seat of learning – Coleg Soros.

Finally . . . We know there’s a plan to take water from Llyn Efyrnwy, into the Severn, and then, via pipe and canal, to the Thames. I believe there’s a wider plan that includes the Usk, Wye, and other sources. And this may be where Gilestone fits.

It would be relatively simple to connect Usk and Wye to the plan shown above. It would then be a multi-source option less likely to draw attention and criticism. For as Severn Trent is keen to stress (my emphasis):

This will be using water that is currently taken from Vyrnwy and occasionally redistributed elsewhere.  No additional water will be taken from Wales.

This, “some from here, some from there” approach, with no valleys drowned, will avoid another Tryweryn.

And seeing as Usk and Wye are within Dŵr Cymru’s territory, it explains the Catskills connection, Mega Catchment and Beacons Water Group. Why else would DCWW study how a hilly rural area supplies water to a metropolis 100 miles away?

Another factor worth considering is flooding. The existing wind farms on hills above the Severn and its tributaries cause greater run-off of rainwater, increasing the risk of flooding. With more windfarms planned, this risk will only increase.

So taking water from the Severn could also serve a flood prevention purpose. Though this is unlikely to be admitted, and never linked to wind turbines.

The wider plan I’m suggesting would also explain the quasi-sacred status given to the Wye by writers like George Monbiot, and bodies such as the Wye & Usk Foundation and Afonydd Cymru. For no other river in Wales gets this attention.

Whatever the details, it’s clear that Wales is to supply water to southern England. Much of it from resources in Wales owned by Severn Trent of Coventry.

But Wales won’t get paid a penny.

Ain’t devolution wonderful!

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© Royston Jones 2025

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Wynne

Off-topic, but very interesting 11-minute video at link below.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=o4SiLFThE-A&si=XGvhI3DCaIB-cWkW

Liz

Thanks to everyone for your honest replies. All the best for Xmas and 26…May will be interesting…

Dafis

Cheers Liz. Starting to feel like I know you. Trust the Xmas – New Year madness doesn’t cause any lasting damage!! Enjoy your preparation for the May mayhem which could well go off like a damp squib if the Welsh electorate can’t get off its collective arse.

Wynne

Are the Ospreys still claiming squatters rights at Gilestone Farm !

Dafis

Ospreys were looking for a new home. Chose St Helens, went to Bridgend Brewery on a short term let then found that WRU Politburo have reduced them to threatened species. Such insane cruelty should attract long jail sentences.

Wynne

It is not only water supply that will be prioritised for cooling AI data centres. Power supply will also be prioritised. Refer to document in link below; specifically Annex 1: Variable Rota Disconnection Plan.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/electricity-supply-emergency-code

Wynne

As always, I think you are ahead of the game here Jac. Makes perfect sense to me. You refer to DCWW polluting watercourses. In reply to a recent request for information, DCWW provided the following link to a storm water overflow map of Wales.

https://corporate.dwrcymru.com/en/community/environment/storm-overflow-map

Anyone with the time to study the data provided may find some interesting information regarding discharges from storm overflows from the combined sewerage system in Wales. I was not aware the map was in the public domain until recently. It’s possible to zoom in to a particular area to analyse the data.

Wynne

Another good source of information is the appropriately named website “Top of the Poops”. Link below.

https://top-of-the-poops.org/waterway/dwr-cymru-welsh-water/river-teifi

David Smith

A far-out idea but perhaps because like its fellow letter homophone-named watercourse the Dee, and numerical peri-homophone the Severn, it is shared with Mother England. Maybe seen as some sort of romatic metaphor for the sacred union between our two nations? </sarcasm>

Dafis

I suspect it’s called River Dee cos the poor old Sais couldn’t pronounce beyond the first letter of Dyfrdwy! Probably some PPE twat from Oxbridge.

Liz

Interesting…but I disagree, and I accept I could be so wrong with water for AI. I know the Swedes are dropping their data centres into the sea in containers to keep them cool because its a huge problem of how to keep these servers cool…fans!! wirring away!…and electricity costs money billions to keep these centres cool. So…the prob is lack of supply of electricity re demand and supply..unless they are going to dig lakes and drop these centres into them in Cambridge lol…doesnt quite add up…easier to drop em in our sea…?? but who knows what idiots are going to come up with next..water is going to be the next commodity in global markets as we run short…which we will but as you rightly say, run off, floods etc because in the planning process very little of the impact of increasing surface concrete re where does the water go has been considered.

Liz

The use of water in the uk for cooling servers..sticking them into the sea to keep them cool is the option…the issue is that in order to keep cool servers need ventilation to stop the processors from over heating in the computers…we live in a world where we take it all as forgranted and dont realise that every bit of data is kept on rack mounted servers..in data storage centres…in your home laptop or computer you have a fan and if that stops going round then the whole thing heats up and bang!!..so thats the issue and AI yes, is going to create more demand for electricity to keep the systems cool…as I said the Swedes and Fins have dropped them into the sea in containers in an efford to reduce elec costs to keep them cool…so AI isnt going to demand water but more electricity unless you are looking at Hydro electricity which we then ship to England…but you and I both know this is all about jobs for the girls and boys and friends in Kerdiff…going Carbon 0 by 2030 is a dream…we will all be back to sitting watching blank screens if we are not careful and water for drinking is going to be a huge global issue as we are polluting our water sources and London water is basically re used sewage…oh woops…its approaching 200 years since we started this process…its called the Industrial Revolution and before that life on earth was pretty clean…except for Cities etc where the bed pans were emptied out of the windows…lol…but you know what I mean…as I rant on….but atm the trend is to move away from using water in closed systems to cool data centres…its too costly and inefficient…

Liz

So could I if only…we are a planet at war over resources and these are the so called green energy chemicals needed to obtain carbon 0 which can not be achieved unless we are prepared to give up a huge portion of our lifestyle and go back to pen and paper and write cheques and watch live broadcast tv…lol…but its true…there isnt another way…In my opinion our quest for Carbon 0 and the Greenies is going to destroy our planet quicker than anything else…there is no such thing as green energy…the blades from the turbines cannot be recylced and so it goes…and all the minerals we need to mine to obtain this is going to cause more pollution and war…arent I cheerful lol…

David Smith

A clip on the topic I was coincidentally watching earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_c6MWk7PQc

Liz

Exactly!! but AI is going into space along with the Data Servers…honestly…ask Musk…all part of the plan…of course they can always be knocked out of orbit..woops by the millions of tons of space debris…I am not joking..it is planned and so then it can be powered by solar power…easy…haha.

Liz

Apparently Musk is going to put the AI and data storage centres in space!!…

Dafis

Theft of natural resources is becoming par for the course these days. Modern day so-called lefties and other soppy types howl their protest when the Russians, Yanks or Chinese contrive to ring fence resources in other countries yet this kind of “soft” larceny is perfectly acceptable to these wooly thinkers because it stops all those gentlefolk in the S.E of England from ever having to switch off their sprinklers and swimming pools. Perhaps they should focus on fixing their leaky fucked up infrastructure instead.

Any Senedd regime worth its salt would install metering at every point that a pipeline crosses the border and send daily electronic invoices to the English water companies on 24 hour payment terms. After all the technology exists to enable such prompt payment and it just wouldn’t do to have supplies cut until payment is processed.

Wynne

I believe approx. 40% of water is wasted through underground leakage. No real effort has been made to improve on that figure and invest in new infrastructure. As you say, not in the interests of shareholders.

David Robins

Thames Water are planning a new extraction facility in west London, the Teddington Direct River Abstraction, TDRA:
 
https://saveourlandsandriver.org.uk/what-is-tdra
https://saveourlandsandriver.org.uk/alternatives-to-tdra
 
London’s population is growing, so it may need more water, even allowing for the decline in manufacturing use, but the additional volume to be extracted daily via TDRA is just 12% of the volume lost daily to leaks.

Why not fix the leaks first? Because leaks are a maintenance liability, paid for out of revenue. Existing, often very old pipework has no book value if it’s been depreciated to zero. (Thatcher even wrote off all existing debt to give the new privatised companies a clean start and ensure they sold.) Additional plant is a new capital asset, increasing the value of the company. As ‘investment’, it also comes with tax advantages. Captive bill-payers will service that new debt indefinitely.
 
As my chartered accountant father told me, the art of accountancy isn’t what people think. It’s not what figures go in the columns, it’s what columns the figures go in.

Liz

And I did economics..lol…and yes, its all about the manipulation of figs…thats the whole point..to present your viewpoint..lol…but the system in London and a lot of the UK is victorian and cant possibly meet todays demands and its crumbling, literally…so fixing the leaks is not on the agenda as the cost would be…unfathomable..start digging and you most probably make it worse…

Dafis

If it can’t be fixed then it’s beyond broke so get on and lay new pipes. If they can’t afford it get rid of some of those overpaid fat cats and institutional leeches hanging onto every fibre of the business and deploy funds where they are needed.

Liz

They cant because at the end of the day England supports Wales…we have no jobs no nothing…totally dependent…

Liz

True, but it is the blame game and atm I am seeing so much Anti English hate on Social media…so basically I dont intereact on fbook…not that I ever really did…but its sad. And Globally its all about hate too and its a real concern.

Liz

Well, I need medical care urgently according to Trump..lol…

Dafis

Where there is hatred you have to determine its cause(s) or sources. Despite my slight preference for Ukraine and its populace I find the persistent drumming up of uncritical hatred towards Russia almost equally unsettling. Putin is a complex character and part of his “game” visavis Ukraine is a land and resouce grab while showing relative strength. But it is a relative strength. Russia presents a low grade threat to the rest of the world in pure military terms, but it is highly competent at the dark arts that infiltrate and destabilise and that is what the UK and EU genuinely fear because they are shaky societies despite all the superficial gloss. Indeed the EU is so bloody new that it is yet to work out what it will be. We know what it wants to be and that would look like a EUSSR!

Within UK 2 distinct strands of hate regularly enter my consciousness.

The long term problem has been the arrival of assorted Anglo supremacists who have no intention whatsoever of adopting or even accommodating the culture of the native Welsh. They show hatred and I tend to respond in kind.

The newer hatred is that shown towards migrants of the illegal kind and some of those who arrive as asylum seekers. Not altogether surprising when we see the same display of unwillingness to “fit in” and buy into the norms of our established communities. To many it is just an opportunity to establish their cultures and values at a new geographical location and sod the natives.

I suspect that this particular cluster of conflicts will get worse before the dust settles because those people best placed to arrest the deline and turn things around are utterly out of their depth or have no interest in conflict resolution

David Smith

It would be most heartening to hear reports of the young men who’ve been put up in hotels and fed for weeks or months on end on the British taxpayers’ coin, taking to the streets, cleaning up litter, perhaps knocking doors and offering to do odd jobs for old or disadvantaged folks inasmuch as their command of English allows, and the like. After all, it’d be the least they could do to show gratitude to their hosts and give something back.

Dafis

I’m quite sure that among that horde of innocents there are a few with the skills to fill potholes too. Now that would be a real gesture of gratitude!

Liz

btw in Canada they have to work…or they are deported…but most here have delib lost their docs…but this is off the subject of the post…I think the worst thing that ever happened to Wales was devolution as it was always going to be run by Liebour twats who just want jobs for their friends…its pathetic and all this green energy rubbish is all about that and all hidden in the Dev Bank of Wales so we cant see it….

David Smith

Annexation as part of the Kingdom of England is undoubtedly the worst thing that ever happened. Devolution may be a distant second, the Puppet Parliament still under orders from London.

Liz

well, depends where you live in Wales imo…I have endless fun because of my name and my accent so they all think I am English and then start speaking in Welsh and then my friend walks in and we start speaking in Welsh lol…shows them up for their ignorance as Wales depends on tourism, there isnt much else except farming and car work..I remember the bomb going off in N Wales which killed 2 ppl I remotely knew…shame we cant live in peace…

David Smith

It’s all very nice to be a simpering “Can’t we just all get along” sort in an ideal world but not in this one full of bad actor nations of the aggressive and expansionist sort. And yes that includes England with respect to Wales, actively and intentionally so historically, but these days manifested more through ‘soft’ colonialism.

David Smith

There are blatant cases of nonpartisan pisstakery that cannot be denied though, such as East-West Rail and HS2 being labelled EnglandAndWales projects. I am aware that Labour didn’t want rail infrastructure to be devolved which as I understand would have remedied this egregious shafting. I’d be very much surprised if whoever was in charge in London at the time tried to persuade them to take it, mind.

Dafis

Well, Liz, we might have to take what we want rather than meekly accept that which is imposed upon us. As Jac says the current regime in the Bay Bubble is content with this passive subservience cos it pays them well while the rest of us can go and whistle. Turning our natural resources into paying assets would be part of the way to go but it needs men and women who think creatively and commercially rather than the brigade of dopes and spongers we permit to run the show at present.

Liz

Yes, thats true but I dont think anyone has much common sense anymore and its all fake CVs, Rachel from Accounts, lol….and on and on it goes.

Liz

Have you seen Still Waters yet?…v good. Filmed in Carmarthen area…and deals with the subject of creation of dams etc…