March of the Foederati

SUBMERGED HISTORY

History has always been a passion of mine, and one era that fascinates me more than most is the so-called ‘Dark Ages’, that period covering the departure of the Romans and the German incursions. In the traditional interpretation of this period there is deliberate confusion about just who was living in England when the Anglo-Saxons arrived and, perhaps more importantly, what happened to them.

These elusive people are variously called ‘Celts’, ‘Britons’, ‘Romano-Britons’, ‘sub-Roman Britons’ or ‘Brythons’; the language they spoke can be ‘Celtic’, ‘Brythonic’ or ‘Brittonic’. They are never called what they really were – Welsh. (Obviously, this is not what they called themselves, which would have been something like Cumbrogi – from which Cumberland derives – developing into Cymry and thence Cymru.) To the German invaders our ancestors were waelisc; i.e, strangers . . . in their own country. In truth, the language they spoke was a form of early Welsh and would be understood by speakers of modern Welsh; but it must never be called Welsh, even though Anglo-Saxon, unintelligible to speakers of modern English, is now called ‘Early English’. This obfuscation explains the average English person’s sequential understanding of the period as: 1/ Celtic savages daubed in woad, 2/ Romans come and civilise Britain, 3/ Romans leave, 4/ Anglo-Saxons arrive. A seamless, and bloodless, transition from Roman Britain to Anglo-Saxon England.

BRITAIN c. 540 (click to enlarge)

There were almost certainly German warriors in Britain during the time of the empire, for hiring mercenaries, auxiliaries or foedorati was an accepted way of augmenting the regular army, and in the empire’s later years a majority of Roman forces may have consisted of Germans. With the withdrawal of the last Roman outposts (c. AD 410) Britain came under attack from the Irish and the Picts; the former sailing up the Severn Sea as far as the prosperous Cotswolds, and the latter raiding down the east coast as far as London. Undefended, and lacking any experience in tackling seaborne raids, the leaders of the Romano-Welsh followed the imperial example of recruiting mercenaries.

This arrangement held until the German mercenaries got greedy and, using the traditional pretext that they were underpaid, rebelled against their Romano-Welsh paymasters. This First Saxon Revolt of 442 did not start well for the Germans and could have resulted in their total defeat had they not received reinforcements from their homelands. This marked the start of the mass migrations that were to turn the Romano-Welsh lowlands into England. The next few decades saw intermittent warfare before the English suffered a crushing defeat at Mons Badonicus / Mount Badon (attributed to ‘Arthur’) some time around 518 resulting in a period of ‘containment’ and, according to Gildas, relative prosperity. But internal strife, plus two visitations of ‘Yellow Plague’, greatly weakened the Welsh and prompted the Second Saxon Revolt of the mid-sixth century, which largely swept away what remained of Romano-Welsh Britain.

WHERE DID ALL THE WELSH GO?

To answer that question let us remember that the centuries of European expansion and colonisation were often justified by arguing that the conquered territory was ‘backward’, or by claiming that ‘civilisation’, Christianity, even cricket, were being taken to benighted savages. But the Anglo-Saxon takeover of England always presented a somewhat different problem. This was because the fertile lowlands the invaders coveted were the most Romanised parts of the island, inhabited by a sophisticated and Christian population. Something else was needed.

Homework full

For while butchering and enslaving the original inhabitants of Britain didn’t bother the Anglo-Saxons of the time, it did cause their descendants and apologists a bit of a headache. How to justify it? Answer: Right of Conquest, enshrined in international law until fairly recently. This sees sturdy, ale-swigging blonds initially defending a degenerate population that had lost the will to live once their Roman protectors left. Then, after being short-changed by these ingrates, our heroes take over the whole country. (Which was largely empty anyway.) The kind of propaganda found here, from which the panel above is taken. A good clean fight after which the defeated Welsh trooped off to Wales, Cornwall, Cumbria, Brittany and Galicia

This version, told by the English to themselves and the wider world, would have been uncontested if we Welsh had all been killed off, or assimilated, but we weren’t, and the alternative version was kept alive in Welsh folk memory, to regularly surface for a wider audience. Such as when Henry Tudor marched into England in 1485 to take the throne of England. Harri Tudur (as he was known to us) was accompanied by thousands of Welsh soldiers, many of whom saw the venture as a crusade to avenge the Night of the Long Knives (Brad y Cyllyll Hirion) and other massacres, and to reconquer England. The memory of this massacre of three hundred unarmed Romano-Welsh elders at a peace conference with the Germans was still remembered in the nineteenth century, and inspired the term Brad y Llyfrau Gleision (Treachery of the Blue Books) to describe the defamation of a whole culture. One outcome of the Blue Books was of course the imposition of an English educational system on Wales, one that had no intention of teaching Welsh children their own history.

So what did happen to the Welsh of lowland Britain? The truth is, as Gildas and other sources attest, a combination of genocide, expulsion / migration, and enslavement. (The real history that Time Team and other Anglo-Saxon propaganda glosses over or ignores completely.) In the video, Dr. Mark Thomas of University College London, goes as far as suggesting that the Welsh remaining in what had become England were kept as slaves and subject to a controlled breeding programme, which might explain the lack of Welsh DNA in the English population. (Perhaps even a form of apartheid.) Not a pretty picture, is it? Small wonder it’s been necessary to draw a veil over this chapter of English history. More than a mere chapter, the very genesis of England

ENGLAND LOST, WALES THREATENED

The intervening centuries saw a struggle to avoid being completely over-run and wiped out by the English. Constant wars and further incidents of duplicity such as Cilmeri brought us to the glorious national rising of Owain Glyndwr (1400 – 1412). After that war thousands of Welsh fighting men left (many with their families) to join the armies of France, England and other countries. At the battle of Agincourt in 1415 there may have been more Welsh on the French side than on the English, and God knows there were enough fighting with Henry V to provide Shakespeare with material. As late as the 1630s the great English writer John Milton (Paradise Lost) could describe the Welsh as “An old, and haughty nation proud in arms”. The English still hated and despised us; partly because we were truculent, stroppy buggers, and partly because, by our very existence, we kept reminding them of how they’d stolen England from us. (For as someone once said, “You always hate those you have wronged”.)

Welsh migrations
ESCAPING GENOCIDE AND SLAVERY (click to enlarge)

Yet by the eighteenth century Wales had been pacified. We were still unmistakably Welsh, with virtually all of us speaking the language, but something had changed. The old fighting spirit had gone, we now seemed resigned to being second-class citizens in an exploitive and suffocating Union; more concerned with salvation than with Y Tiroedd Coll (The Lost Lands); happy to serve a new wave of Germans occupying ‘the throne of London’. The harsh conditions brought by industrialisation, and rural unrest, saw a brief revival of the old stroppiness, but we were no longer Welsh, we had become ‘labour’, and the enemy was not England, but ‘capital’. For those who still cared, the struggle now was to avoid the complete loss of our identity by pathetically trying to prove to our masters that a Welsh-speaking population could be utterly and unquestioningly loyal . . . not like those horrid Irish (Catholics). The English pretended to accept this while plotting to totally destroy Welsh culture and identity. (For our benefit, of course.) On the national stage, the domination of the chapels in the nineteenth century was succeeded in the twentieth century by that of the Labour Party, with neither having much interest in defending Welsh identity, and promoting Welsh interests, unless it could serve narrow party political interest.

THE ENEMY WITHIN

Today the English come not to split our children’s skulls and rape our women but with the modern equivalents of beads and bibles. In one town there is a story being played out that encapsulates modern Wales. Supermarket chain Tesco wants to build a new hyper-super-mega-store in Aberystwyth, next door to it will be Marks and Spencer. The citizens of Aber’ pack the chapels and churches to thank God for this munificence. The local councillors, freemasons and other forms of pond life calculate their back-handers. There’s just one problem . . . the car park site allocated isn’t quite big enough, nearby houses will need to be demolished. The owners of these houses have been bribed or intimidated into selling, but one refuses. Fifty-nine-year-old Enid Jones has, with great dignity, maintained that she likes living in her house, and wants to stay.

For this unconscionable impertinence she has been vilified by shits in suits, while in the town’s lodges fearful incantations are heard, and the local business community throws the killer dart by accusing her of that crime against which there is no defence – standing in the way of progress! Since when did building yet another fucking supermarket equate with human ‘progress’? Anyone wanting to understand the change that has taken place in the relationship between the Welsh and the English over 1,600 years could do a lot worse than consider the case of Enid Jones. For it tells us that the English have won a great victory by making large numbers of Welsh think like them, by evaluating things through an English-benefit prism. To the point where Welsh people take the side of a massive English company interested in Wales solely for profit. A company that short-changes Welsh farmers and producers, and that – given recent experience – will bring in English staff to its Aber’ store, while almost certainly putting Welsh shops out of business. But Tesco must be supported, for it is the bringer of Progress – hallelujah! – and to facilitate this incalculable benefit to the citizenry of Aber’ a Welshwoman must lose her home.

What echoes!

Due to the ascendancy of these ‘English-thinkers’ who fester and slither among us we face a struggle now to avoid being completely over-run. This could be Dorset or Lincolnshire in the mid-sixth century; the objective has remained constant, only the methodology has changed. In large parts of Wales we are again becoming waelisc, strangers in our own land. Today they can just walk in and dispossess us with their money, and their laws. Their royals and their aristocrats can claim what lies beneath our feet, above our heads, even the Welsh sea! They come with smiles, and lies about loving Wales, wanting to do the best for us . . . yet it’s always them that benefit.

The nation that once covered this land from Cornwall to the Clyde is now reduced to second-class status, and is slowly losing even its remaining pockets of territory. Unless we start fighting colonialism, and its English-thinking supporters among us, it will soon all be over, for this time there is nowhere else to go.

59 thoughts on “March of the Foederati

  1. daffy2012

    “The council issued a compulsory purchase order for Mrs Jones’s home last year but the final decision about whether to demolish the property will be made by the Welsh government.”

    You would have thought that Mrs Jones’s fight would have been supported by Plaid Cymru now that they’ve taken over from the Dai Lloyd Evans independents mob. But no, they’ve carried on on the same vein as the prior regime. Sometimes I wonder if there’s any point to Plaid anymore.

    It’s a fantastic blog posting Jac.

    1. Jac

      Why Mrs Jones has been left isolated is a mystery. As for Plaid Cymru, I can only assume that they calculate most people in Aber’ want Tesco and M&K, so supporting a dignified Welsh lady threatened with losing her home is a vote loser. If true, then like I say, a terrible indictment of contemporary Wales, and too many Welsh.

  2. Anonymous

    Good stuff Jac. Just how dark were those ‘Dark Ages’? I don’t know if you’ve been watch Rory Stewart MP’s ‘Border Country’ series on the BBC? In his dark ages history, he calls the Hen Ogledd the ‘Middleland’ (his term) and despite a cameo appearance of a Cumbrian shepherd counting in a form of Cumbric (Keswick?) he gives scant recognition to the brythonic history of the region. It got me grinding my teeth….

    1. Jac

      I gave up on that rubbish early in the first programme, after watching the Cumbrian shepherd and listening to Stewart’s ‘explanation’. For 1,600 years it’s been ‘Don’t mention the Welsh!! Don’t mention the Welsh!!!’.

    1. Jac

      Maybe I should have mentioned the ultimate example of English hypocrisy. Castigating the Vikings for being bloodthirsty savages while glossing over their own, far worse, crimes of a few centuries earlier.

  3. Jane

    Couldn’t agree more… And i note the only BBC series which even comes close to stating the facts of post Roman Britain, boldly and for all to note, was made by a scotsman (neil oliver) … Coincidence? I think not…
    As for poor Mrs Jones, nothing going on today convinces me more of the helplessness of the individual in the face of the corporation. To refuse to accept bribes and want to live in your own home seems now to be unthinkable, what is worse is there is nothing she can do about it and if it happens to her it can happen to anyone… Someone has bought the place next door and decide it isn’t big enough so they want your place too is what it comes down to and instead of saying “fit into your own land” the council support them in the name of progress… Sometimes i despair, I really do….

    1. Jac

      Yes, and I did a post on Neil Oliver’s series, but now I can’t find it. I suspect it was with my now defunct (i.e. closed down) Google blog. If I find it I’ll send you a link.

  4. DF

    What load of ethno bullshit designed purely to get your knuckle dragging followers in a frenzy. Anglo Saxons weren’t Germans as I’m sure you’ll know but your bone head followers may not, You probably know DNA evidence points to most British people carrying the same DNA as the the original hunter gatherers and Celtic Anglo Saxon influences being largely linguistic and cultural rather than genetic, I prefer to believe Stephen Oppenheimer than a fanatical ethnic nationalist bound up with hatred, why does England have so many dark haired people if they are Germans? read this if your heart can stand the disappointment. http://www.bradshawfoundation.com/stephenoppenheimer/origins_of_the_british.php

    PS. Try gathering evidence from web sites aimed at adults instead of little children.

    1. Jac

      I wasn’t using the term ‘German’ in its modern political sense. I was referring to the Nordic-Teutonic group of peoples with the shared roots, languages and ancient religion. Nor was I talking of ‘Welsh’ in the narrow, modern sense.

      Amazingly, the Icelandic Sagas are instructive in this context. One saga deals with a young Icelandic warrior who goes off to fight for the king of (pre-Norman) England, and the story makes clear that they – the Icelander and the Anglo-Saxon king – spoke very similar, and mutually intelligible, languages.

      Another saga deals with a raid on ‘the Welsh’. But as the translator – Magnus Magnusson, no less – makes clear, the timescale does not tally; the Viking raiders could not have reached Wales. Therefore the raid must have been on the Strathclyde Welsh. “‘Strathclyde Welsh!’ who the fuck were they?” (I’m putting words in your mouth here.)

      P.S. It should be ‘knuckle-dragging’, invariably hyphenated, and always when followed by a noun. Now fuck off back to your Enid Blyton dream-world (also hyphenated) where the English have never harmed anyone who didn’t deserve a jolly good thrashing.

    2. Brychan

      The Völkerwanderung era is clearly recorded in modern genetic analysis of the archaeological remains of Frisian, Juteish, Geats and Wulfings areas and has a direct correlation to genetic analysis of remains in Anglia and Kent during the invasion and ethnic cleansing period. Not only is the evidence differentiated between ‘Britons’ and ‘Saxons’, but between Frisian and Juteish within the Saxon settlement. It is a modern myth (invented by 20th century Germany) that these genetic markers indicate ‘blondeness’ of hair. Perhaps the children of England should become more versed in the Finnesburg fragment, the Anglo-Saxon chronicles, and the battles at Wippedesfleot and Aylesford up to the battle of Otford, a period of history absent from in the English history schools curriculum. The childish myth that there is some contiguous connection between the Teutonic language of English and the land which they now England is somewhat bizarre. English history for children currently starts with a French bastard (1066) but in reality the place was invaded by thousands of murdering bastards sometime earlier.

      1. Jac

        I agree. This is the implication that the English were always in England. Because it’s such utter bollocks few will actually say it, but it is regularly implied or suggested. No better way of doing this than by refusing to address the invasions and the genocide.

    1. Jac

      DNA is clearing up a lot of mysteries. Also showing that the seas were highways, creating links between Ireland. western Britain, western France and northern Spain. The Romans always believed that the Silures were of Iberian origin.

  5. DF

    I’m proof that a working class person from Wales without an A level in English can spot a trouble making racist twat when he see’s one…goodbye.

      1. DF

        Wish I had all day to trawl the internet looking for factually incorrect articles to prop up my twisted narrative but I’ve got a life to live. By the way 60 odd million people have the right to live in Wales as full citizens and 485 million as EU citizens and the only “nationalist” party in Wales that can get near power is the most pro European! why not address that instead of fairy stories designed to whip up hatred against people with “English” accents?

        That is all you have…hatred.

        1. Jac

          You’ve got nothing to say, have you? No counter-argument, no refutation of what I’m saying, just falling back on the position that says, effectively, ‘Anyone refusing to accept the destruction of Welsh identity is a racist’. Making your position clear. As you’ve got nothing to contribute, I see no point in you coming back.

  6. the only ‘hatred’ coming from anyone here has come from the poster df, who has described this blog’s owner as a ‘ trouble making racist tw*t’ and this blogs readers as ‘knuckle-draggers’ and ‘boneheads’. but its nevertheless very revealing that there appear to be some people in this world who are apparently so contorted with a hatred of things welsh that they simply cant abide any efforts to highlight the distinctive nature of welsh history or anything that might be distinctive about the welsh themselves.

    indeed it would seem that for such people the very concept of a welsh identity itself is simply beyond the pale. so what exactly have we welsh ever done to earn such visceral and unprovoked hatred i wonder ? does the very existence of the welsh and the welsh nation really trouble some people that much?

    1. Jac

      In the post I use the term ‘English-thinkers’ to describe those Welsh who are so brainwashed that they view Wales through English eyes. Another way of putting this is that for these people anything Welsh must be inferior. DF falls into this category. Revealingly, he describes himself as “a working class person from Wales”. Mmm, but not Welsh? Or can’t he bring himself to admit that he’s Welsh? Is he renouncing his Welshness?

  7. daffy2012

    “does the very existence of the welsh and the welsh nation really trouble some people that much?”

    To put it bluntly…..”Yes”.

  8. Gareth Williams

    The differences between the Welsh and English peoples has been helpfully set out by the commenter “Boxer the Horse” – apparently a Cardiff based Londoner and NHS worker – on the BBC Wales Politics blog. The seeming trade unionist (and PhD) posted the comment after a light hearted article by David Cornock on 08/04/2014 about Welsh MPs running in this year’s London Marathon entitled, “MPs in starting blocks for London Marathon”.

    Always eager to disparage the Welsh, devolution and Welsh language, in response to another poster’s comment referencing a BBC news article on the possibility of future evolution and divergence in the human race, he further referenced H G Wells’ novel “The Time Machine” and wrote,

    “If you move from the NE of England to the S Wales valleys you will see that Wells got it wrong. There the dominant species are tall and often blond. In the Valleys, the dominant species is short, dark and squat but Welsh speaking.”
    comment 10, posted on 09/04/2014

    Comments on a postcard please…….

    1. Jac

      ‘Boxer’ is the worst kind of anti-Welsh bigot, he also comments on Nick Servini’s BBC blog. He is an utter fanatic because no matter what the subject his response is to blame the Welsh language and / or devolution. If he is an Englishman working in the NHS in Cardiff then it could be that he was passed over for promotion because he just wasn’t up to standard but blames it on the Welsh language because the person who got the job just happens to speak Welsh. It might be worth making a few enquiries about ‘Boxer’.

  9. treforus

    May I recommend “the Origins of the British” by Stephen Oppenheimer. It is easily the most interesting ,if left field, book on the subject that I have read.

  10. A little bird told me (could have been a cuckoo!! )! That if the all female list is abandoned in the General Election 2015 then Ioan Blair could be a perspective candidate for Swansea East!!!! Any link to Tony Blair is a disaster, a treacherous champagne socialist, who left this country in more danger since the 2nd World War. Hope the cuckoo was singing from the wrong hymn sheet!!!!!

    1. Jac

      Isn’t his name Euan? Or is he going to change it to Ioan in honour of the great local councillor, Ioan Richard?

      1. Daley Gleephart

        One of the few Swansea Councillors to get his name in the pages of ‘Private Eye’. He had a ‘cunning plan’ to keep his special allowances.

  11. hmm just paid a visit to the aforementioned bbc wales blogs….strewth i thought for a moment id stumbled into an alternative universe where an electronic version of die sturmer still existed – but for jews substitute. the words welsh and the welsh language.

    i dont think ive ever encountered such undiluted vitriol towards a national language in the way that some posters there are permitted to hijack every discussion to mount a full scale attack on the welsh language and also welsh devolution. just what bbc wales moderators think they are doing in permitting these bigots free reign to publicly vent their hatred of all things welsh i simply do not know. would they for example permit a hateful cabal of obsessives to routinely post comments denigrating and attacking the use of languages like bengali, polish or urdu i wonder?

    incidentally jac i noticed one very familiar name among those hateful anti-welsh obsessives.

    1. Jac

      I don’t understand the BBC allowing these bigots to control this blog. That they think it’s OK only confirms what kind of animal the BBC is today. My attitude to Protic and the others is; expose them, ridicule them, then tell to fuck off to some country where they would obviously be more at home. But never, ever, engage them in rational debate, as if they have a valid point. That’s the mistake too many have made for too long.

      1. Note how they allow comments on the BBC Wales blogs because of all the anti-Welsh commentators but up in Scotland they banned all comments because people were actually using facts to point out the bullshit and hypocrisy of the blogs.

        So even if we were to mount an assault on the BBC Wales blogs all that would happen is that they would simply shup up shop.

  12. Thinking Out Loud

    these idiots only have the BBC Wales blogs to vent their spleen online since Walesonline moved to a comment policy using Facebook, you have to put your real name to your views and unsurprisingly the majority of the bigots and language haters have gone all shy,

    Their also frustrated because the IWA’s Click on Wales website started enforcing a ‘comment on the story and stop writing hobby horse comments that have nothing to do with the it’ rule which stopped them spreading their warped views on Wales in their tracks as well.

    As for the Beeb I wouldn’t worry too much since Nick Servini became Political Editor his readership has dropped considerably as all you get on his blog is rehashed Labour Press releases and Welsh Government spin, he’s making his predecessor Betsan Powys look like a Pulitzer Prize winner.

    And before anyone says it yes i’m aware im posting anonymously, were not all equal yet.

  13. Nice one Jac. The ‘Ancient’ Britons are still confused with cavemen (cavepersons?) by the English public at large. Actually Celtic society was fairly advanced for the time, well organised and apparently especially good at agriculture, they just weren’t literate prior to contact with Mediterranian cultures. However after a few initial misunderstandings, the Britons seem to have got on fairly well with the Romans, and by the end of the Occupation they were literate, Christian and pretty civilised by the standards of the time. The incoming Saxons otoh were simply just another heathen barbarian horde. Whatever civilisation they got came mainly from the Britons plus a few Scots/Irish missionaries.

    As for the big supermarkets, or indeed any (multi-)national chain, remember that they’re constantly repatriating their profits, and I doubt many of their shareholder live in rural Wales. So day by day and year by year they inevitably impoverish peripheral areas, making the centre richer, who then come along and buy up your houses, small businesses etc. If you support local businesses then you may have to pay a little more in the short-term, but at least a reasonable proportion of this money should circulate around in your community, rather than going off down the Swanney. Unfortunately if difficult to get people to see this, even though it’s obvious once you think about it. Even more difficult in hard times to get people to look to long-term consequences when their desperate to grab the latest two-for-the-price-of-one loss leader …

    I mean, Cymdeithas moan about hypermarkets not having Welsh language tills etc., but should a nationalist be supporting such ultimately damaging businesses in the first place.

    1. Jac

      But the more advanced the existing Welsh society the greater the imperative to write it out of history. What emerged after the departure of the Romans was a fully literate, bilingual and Christian society. This can never be admitted because there will then need to be comparisons made with the invading Germans.

  14. Robert Tyler

    The whitewashing of post-Roman history of this island is obscene, but “What emerged after the departure of the Romans was a fully literate, bilingual and Christian society” is a bit much, Royston!

  15. Robert

    I think that the vast majority of the island’s inhabitants remained speaking early Welsh only. Certainly, literacy was confined to a tiny percentage whether in Latin or the indiginous language.

    1. Jac

      I’ll accept that literacy was limited. But members of the better educated or wealthier classes (especially those connected with the Church) would almost cetrtainly have been bilingual. The question is, would they have been literate in two languages or just Latin?

      1. There’s not really any direct evidence and certainly during the Empire literacy would almost certainly have implied literacy in Latin. Nevertheless the way early Welsh, Cornish and Breton are spelled (it’s essentially the same system, and they even exported it to Ireland) suggests that system was much older than the surviving texts, although that still begs the question of whether it was used for writing Late British, or just for native names etc. in Latin documents.

  16. daffy2012

    In case you missed it Jac a story in Welsh on Golwg360:

    http://www.golwg360.com/newyddion/prydain/144555-albanwyr-cynhenid-yn-cefnogi-annibyniaeth

    Their source was this article:

    http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-yes-on-brink-of-victory-1-3382125

    “Further analysis reveals that the 460,000 people who live in Scotland but were born in England could play a major role in the outcome of the referendum.

    According to the survey, the 15 per cent of the 1,004 sample who were born in England are far more likely to vote No than their Scottish-born counterparts.

    Only 28 per cent of English-born voters say they will vote Yes, compared with 58 per cent who say they will vote No.

    This contrasts with Scots-born voters who, taken alone, are in favour of independence by 42 per cent to 40 per cent.”

    It does obviously have relevance to Wales in all elections and referenda desite some ‘nationalist’ bloggers sweeping the issue under the carpet.

    1. Jac

      This is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about. But it also explains why, since the reawakening of the 1960s, the British State has done everything in its power, short of Clearances and assisted migration schemes, to bring into Wales as many English people as possible.

      On the plus side, the two devolution referenda and various surveys, have shown us that Welsh – even Welsh-only – identification is shared by Welsh speakers and anglophones. But even so, given that there are now so many English in Wales it would require a massive majority from the Welsh to win any independence referendum.

  17. Graeme

    you’re living in the past. nothing you can possibly say or do will change what happened. Instead, think of the future – and the things you say or do now CAN change that. Doesn’t matter where we came from, we’re all on this planet together. No I don’t vote Labour – Hitler failed because he was a faggot.

    1. Jac

      I’m not trying to change the past. I’m trying to ensure that the history of my people is not expunged from the record, as some have tried to do.

  18. Harri

    Nice try, Jac, but no ceegar. Your rant about days gone by has little relevance in the modern world. You may be assured that the Wales that you hearken back to is gone forever. The number of Welsh speakers diminishes by the day and nationalism is something of a dirty word associated with noisy nuisances.

    Why not accept these facts and rejoice in being part of the UK which has provided you with the prosperity, security and safety that you currently enjoy.

    Wales and the Welsh are an integral part of the rich diversity which has made Great Britain far greater than the sum of its parts.

    Drop your clear hatred of England and the English and just leave it as a bit of rivalry on the field of play.

    Don’t worry, Jac, our history won’t be forgotten. The cowardly act of Owen Glyndwr in running away from his opponents and skulking in hiding for the rest of his miserable life will not be forgotten. Neither will the outrageous hypocrisy and cowardice of Gwynfor Evans, the self proclaimed ‘pacifist’ who, during the war, hid himself in deepest Wales growing tomatoes for profit whilst true pacifists were on the field of battle tending to the dying and wounded of both sides whilst unarmed. They drew the respect and thsnks from all, unlike Evans who just sought to protect his miserable skin.

    Yes, Jac, Wales has much to remember.

  19. Harri

    Well Jac, that’s a nice aggressive start, we’ll probably get on well. I don’t do Twitter but I always post as Harri and I’ve the great honour of being banned from a few places around Wales when the language zealots and nationalist just can’t bear to hear the views of an ordinary bloke who was born and bred in Wales and lives here and doesn’t want Welsh as part ofmy life as it never has been. I don’t wish to pay for it either.

    In my view the money would be better spent on creating an infrastructure for all, rather than unsuccessfully promoting a language for just a few zealots.

    As far as nationalism is concerned, I’m perfectly content with being British. After all, being British is what gives me my safety, security and prosperity that I currently enjoy. I have racked my brains, such as they are, to see what being Welsh has ever done for me, apart, of course, from being the butt of many a joke from others. I usually tell folks that I’m from Cardiff and thst we just put up with the language zealots and nationalists.

    ShallI look forwards to being banned from here if you disagree with my views? It seems to be the form amongst Welsh language fans and nationalists.

    Hopefully, I’ll hear from you soon.

  20. Harri

    Why am I not surprised, eh? I’d thought that this was a site for grown-ups. I was clearly wrong. Anyway, good luck with your ever amusing efforts to change the march of progress.

    I was particularly amused by your claim on 2/6/24 at 11:08 “I’m trying to ensure that the history of my people is not expunged………”. Surely you mean your skewed version of the history and since when have we been “your people”. Cheeky twerp!

    In the meantime carry on giving us a laugh, you’re almost as funny as Max Boyce.

    I’ll return soon from another of my IP addresses and look forwards to the chase.

    1. Jac

      Can’t be bothered to track you, ‘Harri’, you obviously don’t know anything, and you have nothing to say beyond childish insults. You’re just a wind-up merchant. Go away and amuse yourself elsewhere.

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