Nov 172014
 

This time last week I didn’t know a lot about the Green Party, its leading personalities and its internal workings, this week I know a little more; enough to know that Plaid Cymru would be making a big mistake to go into any form of electoral pact with the Green Party.

Let’s start by trying to establish exactly what we are dealing with: is there a separate Wales Green Party (as we are being asked to believe), or do we have just a regional branch of the Green Party of Englandandwales? I believe the answer is definitely the latter. And even if there were a separate body, note how it calls itself the ‘Wales Green Party’, not the Welsh Green Party. Compare that with the Scottish Green Party, which is completely independent of the GPE. This is more than just semantics, for the Scottish Green Party is composed overwhelmingly of Scottish people and supports Scottish independence, but what we have in Wales is mainly English people belonging to an essentially English party.

The evidence for the status of the local Green structure comes from the ‘Wales Green Party’ itself. The party’s candidate in the Uplands by-election in Swansea is Ashley Wakeling (or possibly Ŵakeling) and he made the comment below to my previous post. Now if there is a separate Wales Green Party how the hell is it supposed to operate without a leader? On the other hand, it makes perfect sense if there is no separate Wales Green Party.

Wakeling 'no leader'

The leadership contest referred to, between current leader Pippa Bartolotti and challenger Andy Chyba, will be dealt with later; although I found it odd, and contradictory, that Wakeling should argue that the Greens in Wales need no leader and yet in the same paragraph call for the re-opening of nominatiions!

What became obvious with the many comments made to my previous post is that the ‘Wales Green Party’, perhaps the environmentalist movement more generally, is in a constant state of conflict, riven with personality cults, rival camps and back-biting on a scale I thought had departed with New Labour. Far from being the kind of tension and conflict admired by Harry Lime, from which great things emerge, this appears to be just a bunch of political no-hopers slagging each other off and hampering what little chance there ever was of Green politics having an impact on Wales. I say ‘appears to be’ for there may be more to this than meets the eye.quorate

To bring you up to date, here’s the Green Dragon website report on the Wales Green Party Conference 2014, held last Saturday in Merthyr. I’m referring you to the Green Dragon site because at the time of writing this the official Wales Green Party website hadn’t caught up with its own AGM. According to former Green Anne Greagsby ‘Green Dragon’ is Martyn Shrewsbury of Swansea. Ms Greagsby also alleges that the AGM was not quorate. Another complaining about Green Dragon and the general running of the Green Party in Wales is respected environmentalist Max Wallis. And from other quarters I hear of censorship, stitched-up elections and other practices that suggest the Greens are after the ‘tankie’ vote.

But let us turn to the rivetting leadership contest between Pippa Bartolotti and Andy Chyba. Who are they? Well, it should go without saying that both have come to us from England, though Ms Bartolotti obviously has an Italian surname and claims a Jewish grandfather; whereas Chyba’s ancestry is uncertain.

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Pippa Bartolotti is on record as dismissing the Welsh language as belonging to a “regional identity”, before reminding us that there are far more important things to worry about . . . perhaps finding a decent coiffeur. As regards the status of the so-called Wales Green Party she tends toBartolotti 20,000 members give the game away with this entry from her ‘News’ section (click to enlarge). The ‘We’ quite obviously refers to the Green Party of Englandandwales.

As for “the young man from Cardiff”, I have no idea what she had planned for him, I can only hope that he enjoyed it and has now recovered. In fact, the siren-like and Jaguar-driving Ms Bartolotti may have a thing about young men, for in another entry she admits to chatting up a young man on a train! (This spoof website may be of interest.)

The problem many GreenPippa Bartolottis have with Ms Bartolotti is her somewhat ‘hazy’ background, with periods in the security business and years unaccounted for. There may also be a more general question over her honesty. For example, she has claimed to have started companies – Encrypta Electronics being one – yet it was her ex-husband and his father who started both Encrypta (1985) and Enigma (1986). Encrypta had links with the Atomic Weapons Research Establishment at Aldermaston, and one of its sub-contractors was AB Connectors of Abercynon, which might explain why in 1997 she was recruited on a part-time basis by the Welsh Development Agency. In 2004 she is said to have represented Encrypta at a security conference in Las Vegas. Among those present was a Lt. Col. Oliver North of Iran-Contra fame.

But, then, for no apparent reason, she gave up the life of business to go on a world tour . . . though where exactly she went, who she met, and what she did, is another source of mystery. According to the Swansea Action for Palestine website Ms Bartolotti lived in Israel for 7 years, which might make sense, given her Jewish grandfather. Though elsewhere she claims to have spent time in India, Cuba and other places which would have made it impossible for her to have spent all seven of her years away in Israel. But anyway, let’s stick with Israel. Here’s a link to a bizarre bit of film showing her making a fuss at Tel Aviv airport, it’s connected with this escapade. Though some ask why Bartolotti was the only one out a group of 40 people allowed through unmolested by Israeli customs, and whether realising her isolation made her cause the scene.

Let’s end on a lighter note. Here’s a link to Come Dine with Me starring the irrepressible Ms Bartolotti. (To view this gem you may need a 4oD player installed.) Shalom!

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Now we turn to Andy Chyba, who was to have been the Green’s lead candidate in Wales for the May European elections. Then he withdrew and urged Greens to support Plaid Cymru! Despite this support for Plaid Cymru Chyba regards Welsh as a “moribundChyba resigns language” and in his resignation piece repeats that he has “no time for the Welsh language”!Andy Chyba

I urge you to read Chyba’s resignation piece, for in it he also admits that he does not want to see an ‘autonomous’ Green party in Wales (as exists in Scotland and Northern Ireland) while conceding that the current set-up of the GPE in Wales is never going to take off. It all sounds very confused, or confusing.

These thoughts were in my mind when I received a Facebook message today from someone offering more information on Chyba. (Addressed to ‘Mr North’!) Suggesting, specifically, that Chyba has a background in the military or the police, and may be operating as a spy. Whether or not there is any truth in these allegations, I still find it intriguing that Chyba’s Wikipedia page was pulled last Friday, when my previous post was receiving so many hits and comments from Greens.

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So we have two contenders for the leadership of something calling itself the Green Party of Wales that is in reality nothing but a regional branch of the Green Party of Englandandwales and both are accused of being tools of the security services. With the accusations against Chyba being perhaps nothing more than retaliation on the part of Bartolotti’s supporters for the aspersions cast against their gal. Should we give these allegations any credence? I think so. Let us consider the bigger picture, from a different perspective.

As I have remarked in a number of recent posts, in the eyes of an increasing number of people Westminster politics is discredited, with voters looking for alternatives to the Conservatives, Labour and the Liberal Democrats. In Scotland there is an obvious alternative to the Westminster bawbags in the form of the SNP, which threatens to wipe out Labour, the only party that can maintain the Union. South of the border many in England (and quite a few in Wales) are turning to Ukip. The publicity achieved by the SNP and Ukip can sometimes make us overlook the Greens, who already have one MP and could have a couple more after next year’s General Election.

Alex Salmond has said that he may stand for Westminster next year, and he has already posited the scenario in which the SNP and its allies hold the balance of power. So who will be the SNP’s allies? Well, Plaid Cymru, obviously, but also the Greens. Which makes the Greens of increasing interest to the security services. And how better to gain entry to the higher councils of a party with perhaps 20,000 members than by controlling the leadership election of a ramshackle branch with just a few hundred members, many of whom – as a result of carefully engineered schisms – are disbarred or discouraged from voting? It’s what I’d do if I was a spook. Always go for the weakest link to provide the entry point.

Green Party status

Plaid Cymru would be mad to go into any electoral pact with the Green Party of Englandandwales, either nationally or on a constituency by constituency basis. There is nothing in such a pact for Plaid Cymru because the Greens have nothing to offer, and when views like Bartolotti’s and Chyba’s on the Welsh language become known they can only lose Plaid Cymru votes. Worse, if some of the allegations levelled are correct, then there may be more to Bartolotti and / or Chyba than meets the eye. Even if both are ‘clean’, there is still the worry that there are those who realise the Green brand is not selling in Wales, and now view Plaid Cymru as the best stall from which to promote their wares. Plaid activists should think long and hard about accepting this trojan horse, and don’t leave the decision to your ‘leaders’. They’ve already let you down too often.

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green dragon
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strewth ….and to think we thought we had good sources in the wales green party jac !! we are still digesting this truly mind bogging post and wont offer any detailed comments at this time. but one observation that we feel we can already make is that it appears clear that your source for the claims listed about pippa bartolotti is the former wales green party member and fierce plaid… Read more »
Gwyn Jones
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As I told the Borthlas blog a couple of years ago, like eugenics and later fascism in the 20’s, “Green Politics” is an idea whoose time has come. By its very nature it has to be a totalitarian ideolagy. It is a mistake to think of its members as hippies in teepes. As a member of Plaid (becoming more disillutioned daily) I am not surprised that there is in it… Read more »
G Roberts
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Andy Chyba November 9th, 2013 The language issue is always a touchy one and I really must try and stop being so provocative about it. It does however, throw up some interesting conundrums for environmentalists. The amount of paper, ink, added transport costs etc involved in printing so much in two languages is not insignificant in resource terms and carbon footprint terms. Given that I have yet to meet anyone… Read more »
dafis
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paranoid maybe, but there is ample evidence of security services dirty tricks depts at work in Wales since the 60’s. I made a light hearted comment here recently – A Greagsby reports – “the jag driving woman made her money working in the security industry/Thales/AWRE …………” say no more , isn’t that a 5star pedigree for agent provocateur material? just shifting her focus from one colonial agenda to another ?.… Read more »
The Earthshaker
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Another excellent expose on welsh politics, there’s no doubt the greens in England and Wales are trying to ride on the coattails of the success of the greens in Scotland during the indy referendum and until they piqued your curiosity were going largely under the radar in Wales like UKIP and we all know how that turned out. Even if it turns out the greens are nothing more sinister than… Read more »
Anne G
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Green Dragon – good to see McCarthyism alive and well in the green party in wales. Dr Max Wallis is to have a tribunal of the green party of England and Wales very soon in London, as they refuse to hold it in Wales, for simply sending out a link in the newsletter a few people didn’t like. Bartolotti will at last have to face questions about her past. Looking… Read more »
Sian Caiach
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Considering the huge environmental pollution caused by sewage pollution in the areas of Llanelli and North Gower, requests to the Swansea based Greens over the past decade to help out have not even produced a single reply. As the mainstream political parties were either openly hostile to the subject or inconsistent in their condemnation of the situation, they could have had an ideal opportunity to campaign and recruit in Mid… Read more »
green dragon
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We are very disappointed to hear that you did not get a good response from local greens in the past Sian, though we suspect that this may be more to do with the fact that until relatively recently the green party in the swansea area remained a quite small group rather than because of any lack of interest in the causes concerned from local greens. But with the significant increase… Read more »
Anne G
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I have been campaigning for decades, long before I joined the green party and was an elected Councillor for some years unlike your incompetent self. I campaign for greenpeace and I am involved in the anti fracking campaign. I have also managed a few other things in recent years like coordinating the successful campaign against the military academy coming to St Athan for Cynefin y Werin. I will continue to… Read more »
Bridgend Green Party - South Wales West
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I am going to have to come here more often! Highly entertaining and it is not often you can find out things about yourself you didn’t know. The “Mr North” feeding you info is, I believe a well known trouble maker with convictions for serious fraud to his name (info from Google, not my establishment inside sources!). He was probably responsible for the Wikipedia page I didn’t know I had… Read more »
Carnabwth
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I see they are interested inn some kind of arrangement with Plaid Cymru but already the knives are being sharpened to stick into Elin Jones’s back who was by all accounts acting on the advice of the Chief Veterinary Officer of Wales. (Yes, we do have bodies which aren’t EnglandandWales) But that’s another story. Better to leave them argue amongst themselves like ferrets in a sack.

dafis
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the more I see, hear and read of this lot I become convinced that Ms Wood & party colleagues should be sectioned if the do any kind of deal with such a fractured dysfunctional mob. Anarchists of the old school were far more cohesive !

green dragon
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Yes anne we are aware of your track record as an activist, and of your role in opposing the previously mooted military acadamy at st athans – a campaign which we have no hesitation in applauding you for. So do not fall into the trap of thinking that because we might have differences of opinion with you on some matters that we disagree with you on everything. All we are… Read more »
dafis
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Wrong again ! I do not rule out nuclear as part of a broad mix of technologies, and elsewhere one of your factions is correct in highlighting risks of overdependency on Wylfa or anywhere else. However I object to the frantic wingeing that arises whenever anyone takes steps to diversify our energy resource, the latest being the hostility to photovoltaic panels. Wind farms are a joke, both from an efficiency… Read more »
dafis
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I am a strange kind of nationalist – happy to admit to that – but not in the perverse way you attempt to discredit us. Far from content with the London parties’ policies, I am hostile to anything that comes from there because so little of it has any regard for the state we are in. Difficult for you colons to grasp the fundementals of “dependency” but as Leanne finally… Read more »
green dragon
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Not connected to this discussion admittedly but given that a blogger in wales has apparently been blackmailed to take their blog down or face losing their job we thought it important to share it with others in the welsh blogosphere. The blog in question being the swansea based ‘Another Angry Jack’, which in its short life has been rightly critical of the governing local labour party – so no guesses… Read more »
R Tyler
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green dragon. Just out of interest, are any of these people from Wales?

Anne Greagsby
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Cardiff green party covers the whole of the South Wales Central, an electoral region of the National Assembly for Wales, consisting of EIGHT constituencies so they have a record 20 odd people attending their AGM – hardly a WOW! that works out sat about 3 people per constituency that maybe is record breaking for the green party but laughable to other parties. I oppose Bartolotti irresponsibly telling people that cannabis… Read more »
green dragon
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Genuinely sorry to hear about your son’s condition anne, but that’s quite a lengthy comment youve posted there so going to have to come back you on on this one im afraid. But will say quickly that yes there’s no question that those of us oposed to nuclear power have to make sure that pro nuclear candidates standing in Welsh constituencies dont get a free ride in Wales again. “highlighting… Read more »
Marconatrix
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If I may ask a question. If the Greens in Wales are pro-Welsh as they claim, why haven’t they taken a (green?) leaf out of Scotland’s book and set up their own independent Welsh Green Party? The view from Wales is clearly going to be a little different to that from the Home Counties; different priorities, different balances to be struck, a different culture and traditions to dovetail into. Isn’t… Read more »
dafis
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wind ? big question why so many countries are investing in it . Not really sure, but one thing that is certain it’s been rigged in the UK in favour of money making scammers who are using a defective technology to mess up the country, or are you happy with big corporates building mega turbines up & down the country. Maybe the solution lies with smaller turbines running more frequently,… Read more »
R Tyler
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“Blut und Boden is it R Tyler ?”
No, not at all. I’m not making judgments, I’m just honestly interested. It does strike me as odd, however, that the leadership of a political party in Wales is entirely composed of individuals from England.

green dragon
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That is a very fair question Marconatrix – and while we do not purport to speak for the Welsh greens any more than we would purport to speak for the green left of Plaid Cymru – our understanding is this matter is being discussed by people in the Wales green party, and envious glances have been cast in the direction of their sister party in Scotland. But just to repeat… Read more »
Justin Cresswell
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I point you towards article two of the Green Party of England and Wales Constitution, which states; “2. Geographical Remit and Links The geographical remit of the party shall be England and Wales. The party shall maintain links with the autonomous Northern Ireland Green Party, and with the independent Scottish Green Party and Comhaontas Glas (the Green Party of the Irish Republic).” And then for future revisions, article twenty of… Read more »
Anne Greagsby
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London Centric? green dragon latest blog about London centric Green Party in Wales sections AGM who had guest speaker London boss of Green Party Eng/Wales, the deputy leader Amelia Womack who popped over from London for the morning Latest eccentric, notorious Chris Were announced as general election candidate for Monmouth read Martin Shiptons article on him. Like you Martyn he has a conviction — for driving without insurance. http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/green-party-deputy-leader-criticised-3815133#.UZOqIBarj3c.twitter More… Read more »
green dragon
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Thankyou for that ‘Justin’, but just to clarify the Wales Green Party is the only autonomous branch of the GPEW. While the following is worth reposting if people are looking for an insight into contemporary Wales green party thinking on Wales “As Wales moves towards sovereignty, we will seek membership of the European Union and the United Nations. Within these institutions, we will promote our vision of a sustainable world”.… Read more »
Justin Cresswell
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You’re most welcome for that, “green dragon”.

R Tyler
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I’d still like to know, just out of interest you understand, how many of the leading lights in Wales are from Wales. Are there any?

green dragon
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For clarifcation Jac and for what its worth the greendragon thinks the Wales green party should give very serious thought to following the course undertaken by their Scottish brothers and sisters, and again for what its worth we know there are WGP members who are in favour of such a move. But ultimately of course this is a decision for the membership of the WGP. We have strong reason to… Read more »
Dave Jones
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So gd, are you going to tell us if any of the green leadership in Wales are actually from Wales?

Andrew Winter
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Thankyou Jac for this interesting insight into the inner workings of the Wales Green Party. I’m a fairly recent member (in fact I was hoping to have been the ‘young man from Cardiff’ Pippa referred to but, alas, I joined a week or so after that comment)! I’m originally from England – having moved here to study I’ve now lived and worked here about 10 years. In the previous general… Read more »
Carnabwth
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“I have encountered more Welsh people than English who have told me I’m ‘wasting my time’ with my efforts to learn Welsh, and a great many who have complained at having their time wasted having to learn it at school.” I can remember a guy from Affrica who gave talks on colonialism saying that it’s not just lands which are colonised but people’s minds too. Above, you have the perfect… Read more »
andautumn
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What you see there are people who don’t view Welsh as relevant or necessary for their everyday lives. Whether you agree with that or not is no matter, the point is people have the freedom to make those kind of choices. There are many who don’t agree with that, and who enjoy being part of the two different cultures, Welsh speaking and English speaking. There are further cultural and linguistic… Read more »
Anne Greagsby
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Green dragon cowards refuse to answer the question I asked earlier Why does Dr Max Wallis have to go to London for a tribunal ….with all English members of the green party of Eng and Wales Regional Councill on an entirely Wales matter? Dear Max, I am writing to inform you that I shall be chairing the Disciplinary Tribunal to be held at party office on 27th November to assess… Read more »
dafis
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only obliquely related to the subject matter, but that funny photo above prompts me to ask – Is Pippa for real ? or is it a drag artist done up to appeal to a particular & peculiar taste ( probably endemic among public school educated types a.k.a Tory squirearchy! ) . Can any of the green correspondents cast light into a dark corner ? or is it a place they… Read more »
dafis
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Hello Jac I think someone is taking the piss here. I’m getting unsolicited “shit mail” from that infamous Anglo neo nazi party. Must have seen me in a brown shirt last week, or maybe a referred lead from one of the Green sects ( some of them are far out if not far right !.) From: Disqus To: …………davies15@sky.com Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 4:41 PM Subject: Vote UKIP is… Read more »
Welsh not British (@welshnotbritish)
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More pearls from Pippa.

https://twitter.com/pippabartolotti/status/534641684093882368

“I just had the official membership figures in, and Wales is the highest performing region in EWGP at 121.56%. Well done everyone!”

She might as well have tweeted “you’re just a bus stop in Bristol”.

Welsh not British (@welshnotbritish)
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Dai, it’s not from UKIP it’s just a notification saying someone with that name followed you. I had one too and they have subsequently been deleted by Disqus, presumably for going on a mass following spree in order to spam people. For more info see here http://www.welshnotbritish.com/2014/11/vote-ukip-banned-by-disqus.html

green dragon
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Dave Jones gven that a person’s place of birth is an apparent fixation of yours – and of one or two others around here it seems – here’s a little quiz for you. See if you can guess which of the following members of the Wales national rugby team were not born in Wales?, Alex Cuthbert, Jonathan Davies, George North, Dan Lydiate, Toby Faletau, jake ball and luke charteris. I… Read more »
green dragon
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Hope this news doesnt leave you feeing too left out Jac but it would appear that we at greendragon are also being ‘followed’ by Ukip Uk. Given the nature of our blog content and of our postings here we are sure such a development cant be because ‘Ukip Uk’ feels any kinship with the greendragon, which leaves only one other reason why they should be following us? They obviously wish… Read more »
dafis
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not surprising given that you are more similar than you care to admit – “cut from the same cloth” is the old Anglo saying ? Your comment about rugby players shows how anti Welsh you are – you just don’t get it that some people can adapt to the culture and identity, while others just enjoy the colonising process and spout down at the natives. The vast majority of your… Read more »
Carnabwth
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For some of our less enlightened ‘green’ friends:

https://twitter.com/languagegg/status/525685133253574656

‘Losing a lanugage is like losing a species’ …..Noam Chomsky 2014

Dave Jones
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“Dave Jones given that a person’s place of birth is an apparent fixation of yours” I don’t give a toss about rugby and I’m not that interested in politics, to be honest. I was just wondering if any of the greens leaders in Wales are from Wales. They are pretty vocal in my neck of the woods but I have yet to meet one from my home town, county or… Read more »
green dragon
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Er no Dafis if you read our comment correctly you’ll see that it demonstrates the absurd and somewhat disturbing nature of questions which always seem more preoccupied with someone’s place of birth than anything else. While to follow your ‘logic’ would mean that none of those rugby players we named would be be able to represent Wales. Now if that is what really you think please ‘come out’ and tell… Read more »
dafis
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green dragon, stop twitching & twisting. People who integrate are welcome but those who seek to impose Anglo Brit “values” and orientation arouse responses ranging from suspicion to outright hostility. On that scale UKIP and many of the green sects are hitting high scores for obvious reasons, so paste your UKIP racist label on yourself – perhaps you just can’t tolerate a Pacific Islander, or other national, adopting Welsh identity… Read more »
dafis
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some further thoughts on the above issues. Perhaps we can move this energy debate forward positively by applying pressure and support where needed so that appropriate funding/investment can be devoted to the diverse range of potential sources of energy, as well as getting some kind of messages across that unbridled useage is not a responsible form of liberty ! I was a fan of wind power when its scale was… Read more »
Political Tourist
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Thank feck i live in Scotland.

dafis
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you have plenty of reason to be grateful as there seems to be far greater momentum towards a healthy state of independence. You’ll get there once those “promises” are demonstrated as empty cheap shots designed to mislead

Marconatrix
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The SNP have vowed (possibly the wrong word) to (1) Never support the Tories at Westminster, and (2) to continue to oppose Trident and nukes in general. The first should remove any temptation for former Labour voters to backslide, since the “Vote SNP = get Tory” mantra will no longer wash. The second should keep Greens and similar on board. And you know what, I think they’ll actually keep their… Read more »
Dave Jones
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I’m not a political animal but this green dragon bloke is, I think, a bit of a nob.

Tarian
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Green Dragon – your hopeless flapping around and evasion do you no favours, and your attempt to smear posters with accusations of racism is pathetic. Place of birth in itself is of no consequence to any of us – people are welcome from all over the world providing they actually adopt Wales as their nation, attempt to integrate and stand up for Wales (economically, politically, culturally, linguistically and environmentally). What… Read more »
green dragon
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“you’re poisoning the Earth just as much as those who are 100% pro nuclear” writes Dafis – er we know of no renewables that remain poisonous and contaminate the earth for tens of thousands of years in the way that high grade radioactive waste does Dafis. But again you seem at ease with the fact that Wylfa B – and the poisonous waste it will produce – has been imposed… Read more »
Tarian
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Green dragon, surely you are taking the piss accusing me of using fascist language? My argument is anti-colonial, and anti-racist. Try reading what I wrote instead of trying to feebly spin and smear. Half my family are or were incomers and immigrants at one stage or another – there is absolutely no problem here with incomers per se. Your attempts to smear and avoid the issue suggest that you basically… Read more »
dafis
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Green dragon, we don’t need any lectures about Dafydd El as an example of anything. We are well familiar with how those long years of exposure to the deviations of Westminster damaged the old boy – turned him into a right old champagne charlie & lost cause. Watching him grab the baubles & take the ermine was classic case study in selling his soul if not his country – what… Read more »
green dragon
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Youre not a racist or a fascist Tarian, of that we are in no doubt. But you must see the similarities between some of the language you employ with regards to English people coming to live in Wales and the language ukip and fascist groups like britain first use when talking about immigration. Yes Dafis we are very sincere in our stated aims for Wales and – as you’ll see… Read more »
Dave Jones
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So how many of the greens leaders in Wales are from Wales then?

green dragon
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Ahem as we commented earlier Dave – leave this discussion to the grown ups.

Dave Jones
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“as we commented”
Are you speaking for everyone now gd? A tad hubristic wouldn’t you say?

green dragon
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Dave writes “Are you speaking for everyone now gd?” Trust us we would never be so presumptous Dave. But given the repetitive nature of recent comments from some poster’s it has occured to us this that particular thread may have run its course Jac. But we’ve relished the cut n thrust of debate and the chance to exchange views wth others, yes even with those ill informed correspondent’s too. But… Read more »
dafis
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certainly interested in these unmanned aircraft as they were flagged up by the local community in West Wales a few years ago – again 2 sides to the arguement. Some people saw the UAV’s as having “peace time potential” – checking on traffic, spraying crops, even delivering parcels ! and bought into the job creation story , but there were members of the community who saw where the priorities of… Read more »
Dave Jones
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“ill informed correspondent’s” and “recent comments from some poster’s”
FYI, the words “correspondents” and “posters” are plurals and require no apostrophe. I may be “ill informed” but able to write correctly. Just like a “grown up.”

Carnabwth
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I’m not sure how it works up in Parc-Aberporth but I’ve heard that the Isrealis and the French ar involved. I’ve also met a number of the contractors who come and stay at a local hotel several times a year. The one’s I’ve met have been ex-military and certainly aren’t local….not even Welsh. Mind you, I know of one local working there…… as a security guard.

dafis
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sums it up really ……job opportunities !! my arse !! another f***ing Anglo scam and some welsh government twat signed up for it

Andrew Winter
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In a debate between Leanne Wood and Jeff Cuthbert last night she referred to the SNP and Greens as ‘allies’. She also made the same promise as the SNP have made, that they would never prop up the tories in government. The speech began with an attack on UKIP before outlining a vision of an independent Wales based around the values of social justice and the idea of Wales being… Read more »
green dragon
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Apostrohe’s are clearly the greendragon’s (or should that be greendragons 🙂 ) achilles heel Dave, thankyou for bringing that to our attention. While both Dafis and Carnabwth make very valuable and pertinent observations about UAV’s at Parc Aberporth, and yes Carnabwth we too have heard that figures from the israeli military have been observed at Aberporth’s testing facilities. Now given the IDF’s shocking recent treatment of palestinians we wonder how… Read more »
andautumn
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That’s really nice to see. I think the main common ground they have is that they promote a positive, long term vision of the future rather than the blame politics endorsed by UKIP and which all the other parties are falling over themselves to emulate. But then, the fact that a privately-educated former banker and Tory activist is able to successfully present his party of former Tories, bankrolled almost entirely… Read more »
dafis
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check this out amazing how much public funding is being thrown at defence/security “innovation ”

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/defence-science-and-technology-laboratory

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Bartolotti to busy to show for tribunal she instigated to prove her allegations she was defamed. http://howgreenpartyexpels.blogspot.co.uk/2014/11/bartolotti-unavailable-to-defend-her.html

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We hear youve taken up photography Anne? 😉 Do you do Weddings?

Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
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Uncle Ruckus (No Relation)
Having been born-and-bred in Brighton, I have seen for myself the appalling mess that the Greens have made in attempting to administer the city. However, I have a lot of time for Green council Leader Jason Kitcat; a decent, honorable man committed to working for the people of Brighton, but is constantly frustrated by the machinations of the hard-Left within Brighton Green Party (Phelim ‘Dirty Boy’ McCafferty, Alexa ‘7 pints… Read more »
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I didn’t know about that Toucan nuclear connection. Bartolotti was singled out as the only person who got through Israeli customs, picked out and led through the Israeli residents desk? Bartolottis own words on her blog – Arrival at Ben Gurion Airport http://pippabartolotti.blogspot.co.uk/2011/07/july-8th-arrival-at-ben-gurion-airport.html “I left the plane, and having only hand luggage, walked slowly to passport control expecting the others to catch me up. Being tall, I am easy to… Read more »
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