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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 07:48:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37573&quot;&gt;Wrexhamian&lt;/a&gt;.

Parc Glynllifon has now reopened, and I met the Manager the other day. According to him, Williams is still around the Plas. The grass around the Plas has recently been cut, and word has it that PW was responsible.
If the Plas is now in the hands of the Receivers, what rights would he have to still pollute the place?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37573">Wrexhamian</a>.</p>
<p>Parc Glynllifon has now reopened, and I met the Manager the other day. According to him, Williams is still around the Plas. The grass around the Plas has recently been cut, and word has it that PW was responsible.<br />
If the Plas is now in the hands of the Receivers, what rights would he have to still pollute the place?</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2020 06:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37643&quot;&gt;Stan&lt;/a&gt;.

There is a contingent of ‘woke’ that are anti-Semitic. 

Those who invent theories, which are patently not true in order to project the concept that Jews are inherently cruel or morally inferior. One such theory is that the ‘kneeling on the neck’ method of restraint used against the drug dealer Floyd in Minneapolis was as a result of the training these officers obtained by the Israeli secret service. 

Let’s deal with the theory. 

Firstly the police officers in Minneapolis have very poor training, they employed the kind of restraint your average Swansea nightclub bouncer would cringe at, and these cops have never been to Israel. Secondly, those Israelis of military background would also not employ neck kneeling restraint, as it prevents getting coherent information from a suspect. The correct technique used in the US, as in Europe is ‘arm restraint’ and they practice it regularly. It’s possible for even the slightest person to restrain a significantly larger and stronger opponent because it uses the arm leverage to lower the centre of gravity. 

It is here..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTCTtPcMT6U[removetoplay]
Takedown with options for cuffing.

So should Rebecca Long-Bailey be fired for anti-Semitism?

No. She should not be fired. If I were her boss, I’d send her on a shift with her local front-line police officers, drunken brawls, domestics, and drugs raids. This would then qualify her to accurately judge the veracity of the nonsense she is tweeting. We take drunk drivers off the road because they pose an immediate danger to the public, speeders, however, get the option of an awareness course. I propose the same.

Like most Labour MPs, she’s stupid. Lacks any real-world experience and like any conspiracy theory it’s very simple to validate the veracity. Look at the detail and see if a theory hangs together. 

There are too many politicians who fail to do this, and use twitter to try to impress their followers with ‘wokeyness’. If you do make a mistake, someone out there in the twittersphere will point this out. The danger arises when politicians start ‘blocking’ people on feedback they wish to ignore. It’s a bit like putting masking tape over the mouth of a constituent. In doing so you retreat into a ‘yesman’ bunker. Ignorance results.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37643">Stan</a>.</p>
<p>There is a contingent of ‘woke’ that are anti-Semitic. </p>
<p>Those who invent theories, which are patently not true in order to project the concept that Jews are inherently cruel or morally inferior. One such theory is that the ‘kneeling on the neck’ method of restraint used against the drug dealer Floyd in Minneapolis was as a result of the training these officers obtained by the Israeli secret service. </p>
<p>Let’s deal with the theory. </p>
<p>Firstly the police officers in Minneapolis have very poor training, they employed the kind of restraint your average Swansea nightclub bouncer would cringe at, and these cops have never been to Israel. Secondly, those Israelis of military background would also not employ neck kneeling restraint, as it prevents getting coherent information from a suspect. The correct technique used in the US, as in Europe is ‘arm restraint’ and they practice it regularly. It’s possible for even the slightest person to restrain a significantly larger and stronger opponent because it uses the arm leverage to lower the centre of gravity. </p>
<p>It is here..</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTCTtPcMT6U%5Bremovetoplay%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTCTtPcMT6U%5Bremovetoplay%5D</a><br />
Takedown with options for cuffing.</p>
<p>So should Rebecca Long-Bailey be fired for anti-Semitism?</p>
<p>No. She should not be fired. If I were her boss, I’d send her on a shift with her local front-line police officers, drunken brawls, domestics, and drugs raids. This would then qualify her to accurately judge the veracity of the nonsense she is tweeting. We take drunk drivers off the road because they pose an immediate danger to the public, speeders, however, get the option of an awareness course. I propose the same.</p>
<p>Like most Labour MPs, she’s stupid. Lacks any real-world experience and like any conspiracy theory it’s very simple to validate the veracity. Look at the detail and see if a theory hangs together. </p>
<p>There are too many politicians who fail to do this, and use twitter to try to impress their followers with ‘wokeyness’. If you do make a mistake, someone out there in the twittersphere will point this out. The danger arises when politicians start ‘blocking’ people on feedback they wish to ignore. It’s a bit like putting masking tape over the mouth of a constituent. In doing so you retreat into a ‘yesman’ bunker. Ignorance results.</p>
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		By: Stan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:49:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What more can be said about the madness of woke culture than this 5 minutes 14 seconds clip by the comedian Jonathan Pie? Thank you, Jac, for directing me to it via your Twitter feed. If you don&#039;t find it both funny and excruciatingly perceptive in its grasp of just how far down the Mad Woke Rabbit Hole we&#039;ve now fallen, you&#039;ve either just woken up after a long hibernation or you&#039;ve been infected by the woke virus, in which case I think you&#039;re beyond saving. Interesting to see Pie mention the &quot;unmentionable&quot; but something already referred to in the replies to Jac&#039;s blog - three gay men in Reading murdered but let&#039;s not talk about it should we be accused of Islamophobia (by the wokies).
https://youtu.be/e5TVLEaqqdI]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What more can be said about the madness of woke culture than this 5 minutes 14 seconds clip by the comedian Jonathan Pie? Thank you, Jac, for directing me to it via your Twitter feed. If you don&#8217;t find it both funny and excruciatingly perceptive in its grasp of just how far down the Mad Woke Rabbit Hole we&#8217;ve now fallen, you&#8217;ve either just woken up after a long hibernation or you&#8217;ve been infected by the woke virus, in which case I think you&#8217;re beyond saving. Interesting to see Pie mention the &#8220;unmentionable&#8221; but something already referred to in the replies to Jac&#8217;s blog &#8211; three gay men in Reading murdered but let&#8217;s not talk about it should we be accused of Islamophobia (by the wokies).<br />
<a href="https://youtu.be/e5TVLEaqqdI" rel="nofollow ugc">https://youtu.be/e5TVLEaqqdI</a></p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37641&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Fork truck is not an option due to load bearing limitations, so I guess it&#039;s a matter of procedure. The Assembly/Senedd has probably been written up in a way that makes it impossible to remove incompetents ( same old Turkeys &#038; Christmas logic) but far easier to isolate and exclude people who take their role seriously ( McEvoy a glaring current example) Odd that both these features have a meeting point in dear old Elin. 

Maybe that forktruck can be adapted ......]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37641">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Fork truck is not an option due to load bearing limitations, so I guess it&#8217;s a matter of procedure. The Assembly/Senedd has probably been written up in a way that makes it impossible to remove incompetents ( same old Turkeys &amp; Christmas logic) but far easier to isolate and exclude people who take their role seriously ( McEvoy a glaring current example) Odd that both these features have a meeting point in dear old Elin. </p>
<p>Maybe that forktruck can be adapted &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2020 07:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off Topic. Elin Jones MS as Llywydd has failed in her role. Her task is to –

Fail - Politically impartial at all times.
Fail - Making the Welsh Government more accountable to the Senedd.
Fail - Making the work of the Senedd more relevant.
Fail - Maximising capacity and strengthening the Senedd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRSkH_lgso[removetoplay]

In 2016, when she was elected there were two persons nominated for the role,  Dai Lloyd MS (Plaid Cymru) nominated Elin Jones MS. Adam Price MS (Plaid Cymru) nominated Dafydd Elis-Thomas MS. The logic behind Adam nominating Dafydd El was that a “nationalist” vote would be lost important for votes and proceedings and that for all his political faults Dafydd El does have a particular administrative competence. In fact, Adam was right twice over in that Elin became the puppet of the government and Dafydd became a minister of it.

A secret ballot was held with all 60 members voting, the result was Elin 34, Dafydd 25 and one abstention.

How can she be removed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off Topic. Elin Jones MS as Llywydd has failed in her role. Her task is to –</p>
<p>Fail &#8211; Politically impartial at all times.<br />
Fail &#8211; Making the Welsh Government more accountable to the Senedd.<br />
Fail &#8211; Making the work of the Senedd more relevant.<br />
Fail &#8211; Maximising capacity and strengthening the Senedd.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRSkH_lgso%5Bremovetoplay%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dRSkH_lgso%5Bremovetoplay%5D</a></p>
<p>In 2016, when she was elected there were two persons nominated for the role,  Dai Lloyd MS (Plaid Cymru) nominated Elin Jones MS. Adam Price MS (Plaid Cymru) nominated Dafydd Elis-Thomas MS. The logic behind Adam nominating Dafydd El was that a “nationalist” vote would be lost important for votes and proceedings and that for all his political faults Dafydd El does have a particular administrative competence. In fact, Adam was right twice over in that Elin became the puppet of the government and Dafydd became a minister of it.</p>
<p>A secret ballot was held with all 60 members voting, the result was Elin 34, Dafydd 25 and one abstention.</p>
<p>How can she be removed?</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2020 13:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Picking up on your earlier tweet quoting Malcolm X it has to be noted that his stance was still evolving as his experiences influenced his view of the social conflicts that were driven by race among other things.  

Later on in life just days before he was assassinated Malcolm X said - 

&quot;I realized racism isn&#039;t just a black and white problem. It&#039;s brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another. 
Brother, remember the time that white college girls came into the restaurant&#x200d;—‌the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together&#x200d;—‌and I told her there wasn&#039;t a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I&#039;ve lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent, I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I&#039;m sorry for now. I was a zombie then&#x200d;—‌like all [Black] Muslims&#x200d;—‌I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man&#039;s entitled to make a fool of himself if he&#039;s ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years. 
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days&#x200d;—‌I&#039;m glad to be free of them.&quot;

By then he was recognising that some whites could make a contribution as he had seen on his travels in Africa, and in meetings with people when on his hajj pilgrimage in Mecca.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Picking up on your earlier tweet quoting Malcolm X it has to be noted that his stance was still evolving as his experiences influenced his view of the social conflicts that were driven by race among other things.  </p>
<p>Later on in life just days before he was assassinated Malcolm X said &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;I realized racism isn&#8217;t just a black and white problem. It&#8217;s brought bloodbaths to about every nation on earth at one time or another.<br />
Brother, remember the time that white college girls came into the restaurant‍—‌the one who wanted to help the [Black] Muslims and the whites get together‍—‌and I told her there wasn&#8217;t a ghost of a chance and she went away crying? Well, I&#8217;ve lived to regret that incident. In many parts of the African continent, I saw white students helping black people. Something like this kills a lot of argument. I did many things as a [Black] Muslim that I&#8217;m sorry for now. I was a zombie then‍—‌like all [Black] Muslims‍—‌I was hypnotized, pointed in a certain direction and told to march. Well, I guess a man&#8217;s entitled to make a fool of himself if he&#8217;s ready to pay the cost. It cost me 12 years.<br />
That was a bad scene, brother. The sickness and madness of those days‍—‌I&#8217;m glad to be free of them.&#8221;</p>
<p>By then he was recognising that some whites could make a contribution as he had seen on his travels in Africa, and in meetings with people when on his hajj pilgrimage in Mecca.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:35:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37635&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

The Russian troops set out at 0500hrs on a pre-planned patrol of the area they were tasked with under SFOR. They stopped for lunch, and painted their vehicles KFOR for the afternoon publicity stunt outside their agreed operational territory. Take a look at the video of the Russian version of events. Hot sunny afternoon. 

It was the Norwegian KFOR (Forsvarets Spesialkommando) who arrived to confront the Russians first. There’s a myth put about by the British that it was the SAS. This is false. There was a peaceful resolution negotiated to prevent partition of Kosovo, the Russians agreeing to the terms and an independent role in ‘policing’ the region.

I don’t think Putin has any need to pull stunts like Prestina in order to bolster his prestige at home. So if Putin was in charge at the time, I suspect a more nuanced approach would have been adopted independent of the UN, like he did in Syria.

The difference between a guerrilla military group and bunch of posing gangsters is best defined by the INLA. Depends on your affiliations. The reality is that there has also been Unionists in the northern counties having inhabited for generations, but I form the view that (like Croatia) an all-Ireland referendum with respect for such diverse heritage is the solution. Military occupation, British, Russian or other, should play no role.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37635">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>The Russian troops set out at 0500hrs on a pre-planned patrol of the area they were tasked with under SFOR. They stopped for lunch, and painted their vehicles KFOR for the afternoon publicity stunt outside their agreed operational territory. Take a look at the video of the Russian version of events. Hot sunny afternoon. </p>
<p>It was the Norwegian KFOR (Forsvarets Spesialkommando) who arrived to confront the Russians first. There’s a myth put about by the British that it was the SAS. This is false. There was a peaceful resolution negotiated to prevent partition of Kosovo, the Russians agreeing to the terms and an independent role in ‘policing’ the region.</p>
<p>I don’t think Putin has any need to pull stunts like Prestina in order to bolster his prestige at home. So if Putin was in charge at the time, I suspect a more nuanced approach would have been adopted independent of the UN, like he did in Syria.</p>
<p>The difference between a guerrilla military group and bunch of posing gangsters is best defined by the INLA. Depends on your affiliations. The reality is that there has also been Unionists in the northern counties having inhabited for generations, but I form the view that (like Croatia) an all-Ireland referendum with respect for such diverse heritage is the solution. Military occupation, British, Russian or other, should play no role.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37634&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting. But the facts remain. 

Russian paratroops for a while took control of Pristina airport, and if Putin had been running the show the outcome would have been different. And they didn&#039;t drive there after lunch, they set out at 5am, getting the drop on the US and UK opposition. The UK&#039;s General Jackson saw the situation having the potential to start World War Three.

However it came about, the fact remains many thousands of ethnic Serbs were forced out of territory they had inhabited for generations. No attempt was made to let them return.

And I think you&#039;re being very generous to a bunch of posing gangsters to describe them as a &#039;guerrilla military group&#039;. The so-called Kosovo Liberation Army hardly existed outside of the West&#039;s anti-Serb propaganda machine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37634">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting. But the facts remain. </p>
<p>Russian paratroops for a while took control of Pristina airport, and if Putin had been running the show the outcome would have been different. And they didn&#8217;t drive there after lunch, they set out at 5am, getting the drop on the US and UK opposition. The UK&#8217;s General Jackson saw the situation having the potential to start World War Three.</p>
<p>However it came about, the fact remains many thousands of ethnic Serbs were forced out of territory they had inhabited for generations. No attempt was made to let them return.</p>
<p>And I think you&#8217;re being very generous to a bunch of posing gangsters to describe them as a &#8216;guerrilla military group&#8217;. The so-called Kosovo Liberation Army hardly existed outside of the West&#8217;s anti-Serb propaganda machine.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37633&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

CROATIA

On 19th May 1991 the whole of Croatia had an independence referendum. Two questions were put. (a) That Croatia would become an independent state, 93% in favour, and (b) that Croatia should remain within Yugoslavia (devo max) with 92% against. There were some local authorities in Krajina (two separate enclaves) who called for a boycott of this referendum but the total turnout was 83%. Krajina areas did not accept the result, and in summer 1991 a civil war ensued and the ethnic cleansing.

There were two distinct bouts of ethnic cleansing in the Croatia war of independence.

1991.
80,000 Croats fleeing western Krajina which included Muslim militia from Bosnia and 170,000 Croats fleeing eastern Krajina along the Serb border where there was direct military intervention. 

1995.
150,000 Serbs fleeing the Republic of Serbian Krajina. By this time Serbia was bankrupt, Russia in turmoil and the Bosnian war of independence was raging.

You are wrong to say the ‘west did nothing’.   

In 1992 a partition was formally accepted (Vance Plan) from the UN, but ethnic cleansing continued, hence the deployment of the UN Protection Force. After a temporary lull, Croatia in 1993 then attacked Maslenica and the Medak pocket in western Krajina. In doing so they attacked UN forces, Canadian troops. In response the Krajina forces shelled Zagreb, the Croatia capital with long range artillery. The Canadian troops then went on the offensive and took back all of the ‘protected parts’ and the Croatian forces withdrew. 

The civil war in Croatia could have been avoided by accepting the referendum result and immediately recognising an independent country, as Germany had done so. It was the UK, Russia and US who didn’t, preferring to play global games.

KOSOVO.

1999.
This is a completely different situation. There was an insurrection by an ethnic Albanian guerrilla paramilitary group intent on crating a ‘Greater Albania’. There was no Russian paratroopers landing on Pristina airfield in Kosovo. They drove there after lunch. It was a Russian contingent of UN vehicles that set up some roadblocks as a publicity stunt. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZm2zdZ9_U[removetoplay]
Russian drama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6436f-Asg_w[removetoplay]
What actually happened.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37633">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>CROATIA</p>
<p>On 19th May 1991 the whole of Croatia had an independence referendum. Two questions were put. (a) That Croatia would become an independent state, 93% in favour, and (b) that Croatia should remain within Yugoslavia (devo max) with 92% against. There were some local authorities in Krajina (two separate enclaves) who called for a boycott of this referendum but the total turnout was 83%. Krajina areas did not accept the result, and in summer 1991 a civil war ensued and the ethnic cleansing.</p>
<p>There were two distinct bouts of ethnic cleansing in the Croatia war of independence.</p>
<p>1991.<br />
80,000 Croats fleeing western Krajina which included Muslim militia from Bosnia and 170,000 Croats fleeing eastern Krajina along the Serb border where there was direct military intervention. </p>
<p>1995.<br />
150,000 Serbs fleeing the Republic of Serbian Krajina. By this time Serbia was bankrupt, Russia in turmoil and the Bosnian war of independence was raging.</p>
<p>You are wrong to say the ‘west did nothing’.   </p>
<p>In 1992 a partition was formally accepted (Vance Plan) from the UN, but ethnic cleansing continued, hence the deployment of the UN Protection Force. After a temporary lull, Croatia in 1993 then attacked Maslenica and the Medak pocket in western Krajina. In doing so they attacked UN forces, Canadian troops. In response the Krajina forces shelled Zagreb, the Croatia capital with long range artillery. The Canadian troops then went on the offensive and took back all of the ‘protected parts’ and the Croatian forces withdrew. </p>
<p>The civil war in Croatia could have been avoided by accepting the referendum result and immediately recognising an independent country, as Germany had done so. It was the UK, Russia and US who didn’t, preferring to play global games.</p>
<p>KOSOVO.</p>
<p>1999.<br />
This is a completely different situation. There was an insurrection by an ethnic Albanian guerrilla paramilitary group intent on crating a ‘Greater Albania’. There was no Russian paratroopers landing on Pristina airfield in Kosovo. They drove there after lunch. It was a Russian contingent of UN vehicles that set up some roadblocks as a publicity stunt. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZm2zdZ9_U%5Bremovetoplay%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzZm2zdZ9_U%5Bremovetoplay%5D</a><br />
Russian drama.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6436f-Asg_w%5Bremovetoplay%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6436f-Asg_w%5Bremovetoplay%5D</a><br />
What actually happened.</p>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37632&quot;&gt;Dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

What really makes me angry is that the US and the UK must have known what sort of people they were supporting in the Balkans - Islamists (in Bosnia), fascists (in Croatia), and gangsters (in Kosovo), with a lot of overlap. It was done to stop ethnic cleansing we were told, yet when the Croatian government forcibly expelled some half a million Krajina Serbs the West did nothing! 

It was an exercise in hypocrisy from start to finish. Jugoslavia was seen as a Russian ally because it was dominated by the Orthodox Serbs. So the West&#039;s strategy was to whip up antagonism towards the Serbs and encourage breakaway movements in the non-Serb territories. Leaving a rump Serbia that would pose little threat.

And it had to be done through proxies and air power because there was no way the West would commit troops on the ground against the Serbs. Over the centuries too many had learnt the hard way that these bastards are fighters. 

There was one incident where things could have all gone pear-shaped. Russian paratroopers landed on Pristina airfield in Kosovo, but Boris Yeltsin was persuaded to pull them out. (Maybe he was offered a crate of vodka.) If Putin had been in charge those paratroopers would have been reinforced. They wouldn&#039;t have had to do much, but the fear of killing Russian soldiers would have limited the West&#039;s options considerably.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/weep-for-wales-18/#comment-37632">Dafis</a>.</p>
<p>What really makes me angry is that the US and the UK must have known what sort of people they were supporting in the Balkans &#8211; Islamists (in Bosnia), fascists (in Croatia), and gangsters (in Kosovo), with a lot of overlap. It was done to stop ethnic cleansing we were told, yet when the Croatian government forcibly expelled some half a million Krajina Serbs the West did nothing! </p>
<p>It was an exercise in hypocrisy from start to finish. Jugoslavia was seen as a Russian ally because it was dominated by the Orthodox Serbs. So the West&#8217;s strategy was to whip up antagonism towards the Serbs and encourage breakaway movements in the non-Serb territories. Leaving a rump Serbia that would pose little threat.</p>
<p>And it had to be done through proxies and air power because there was no way the West would commit troops on the ground against the Serbs. Over the centuries too many had learnt the hard way that these bastards are fighters. </p>
<p>There was one incident where things could have all gone pear-shaped. Russian paratroopers landed on Pristina airfield in Kosovo, but Boris Yeltsin was persuaded to pull them out. (Maybe he was offered a crate of vodka.) If Putin had been in charge those paratroopers would have been reinforced. They wouldn&#8217;t have had to do much, but the fear of killing Russian soldiers would have limited the West&#8217;s options considerably.</p>
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