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	Comments on: Sheroes, Herstory and LeadHerShip*: The Weird World of Helen Mary Jones	</title>
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	<description>Wales through the eyes of a cynical patriot</description>
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		By: The Boosh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Boosh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29859&quot;&gt;Donkey Ostler&lt;/a&gt;.

That&#039;s wrong I&#039;m afraid. There was no selection meeting for the Gower candidate as the WEC imposed a candidate upon the seat. It was not an all women shortlist either as there was no shortlist to begin with. I know of at least one male who applied, an unsuccessful candidate in Swansea for the local elections, but was unsuccessful.

Perhaps you&#039;re thinking of the 2015 candidate Liz Evans, who was selected off an all women shortlist?]]></description>
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<p>That&#8217;s wrong I&#8217;m afraid. There was no selection meeting for the Gower candidate as the WEC imposed a candidate upon the seat. It was not an all women shortlist either as there was no shortlist to begin with. I know of at least one male who applied, an unsuccessful candidate in Swansea for the local elections, but was unsuccessful.</p>
<p>Perhaps you&#8217;re thinking of the 2015 candidate Liz Evans, who was selected off an all women shortlist?</p>
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		By: David Robins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Robins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 19:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29891&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Welsh considerations may play a relatively small part in the decision.  The point of an investiture isn’t to show the Welsh that Wales is conquered.  It’s to show the English that Wales is conquered.  That plays well with a big audience, including the whole ‘British family of nations’ scene.  The real prize is to win the hearts and minds of Scouse and Brummie lads who can be relied on later to put down any of those nashies so disloyal to Our GREAT Country.

Discussions over the ideal timing may drag on, but my assumption is that Wills will get the works.  Anything less would be a climbdown and the crachach would feel snubbed.  So, yes, they’re damned if they do, but they’re damned if they don’t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29891">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Welsh considerations may play a relatively small part in the decision.  The point of an investiture isn’t to show the Welsh that Wales is conquered.  It’s to show the English that Wales is conquered.  That plays well with a big audience, including the whole ‘British family of nations’ scene.  The real prize is to win the hearts and minds of Scouse and Brummie lads who can be relied on later to put down any of those nashies so disloyal to Our GREAT Country.</p>
<p>Discussions over the ideal timing may drag on, but my assumption is that Wills will get the works.  Anything less would be a climbdown and the crachach would feel snubbed.  So, yes, they’re damned if they do, but they’re damned if they don’t.</p>
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		By: CambroUiDunlainge		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29898</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CambroUiDunlainge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 12:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29888&quot;&gt;Nigel Stapley&lt;/a&gt;.

Not all. Just the Danube dwelling pig bothering webbed feet sister-cousin ones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29888">Nigel Stapley</a>.</p>
<p>Not all. Just the Danube dwelling pig bothering webbed feet sister-cousin ones.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 07:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29895&quot;&gt;CambroUiDunlainge&lt;/a&gt;.

And that nails it. Any reference to Henry Tudor as &quot;Welsh&quot; is about as accurate as saying that Jesus was a horse or a donkey just cos he was born in a stable ! These opponents at Bosworth were the early stage AngloBrit supremacists fighting for the title and in those days few losers ever got the chance of a re-match.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29895">CambroUiDunlainge</a>.</p>
<p>And that nails it. Any reference to Henry Tudor as &#8220;Welsh&#8221; is about as accurate as saying that Jesus was a horse or a donkey just cos he was born in a stable ! These opponents at Bosworth were the early stage AngloBrit supremacists fighting for the title and in those days few losers ever got the chance of a re-match.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 02:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29894&quot;&gt;CambroUiDunlainge&lt;/a&gt;.

The examples you use are reporting of foreign events. The bombing of the hospital had great repercussions in the area where it happened.

The same with another Investiture. The UK media and Brit politicos may try to pretend that we&#039;re all dancing in the streets, but we&#039;ll know different. Which is why I say - &lt;em&gt;Bring it on!&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29894">CambroUiDunlainge</a>.</p>
<p>The examples you use are reporting of foreign events. The bombing of the hospital had great repercussions in the area where it happened.</p>
<p>The same with another Investiture. The UK media and Brit politicos may try to pretend that we&#8217;re all dancing in the streets, but we&#8217;ll know different. Which is why I say &#8211; <em>Bring it on!</em></p>
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		By: CambroUiDunlainge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CambroUiDunlainge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 01:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29887&quot;&gt;David Robins&lt;/a&gt;.

Tudors were very close with the crown for many generations. I think two of the three Tudor brothers went to Ireland with Richard II - Meredudd ap Tudor the father to Owain Tudor I believe was one. So they&#039;d had that Anglo flavour for a few generations - Mathrafal (Owain Glyndwr&#039;s family) had also been pretty chummy for many many generations (they were actually propped up by the Godwins). I suspect Henry VII had little knowledge of Wales and his sons were brought up as Englishmen in an English court.

The Welsh victory ended when they didn&#039;t skewer Henry right next to Richard.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29887">David Robins</a>.</p>
<p>Tudors were very close with the crown for many generations. I think two of the three Tudor brothers went to Ireland with Richard II &#8211; Meredudd ap Tudor the father to Owain Tudor I believe was one. So they&#8217;d had that Anglo flavour for a few generations &#8211; Mathrafal (Owain Glyndwr&#8217;s family) had also been pretty chummy for many many generations (they were actually propped up by the Godwins). I suspect Henry VII had little knowledge of Wales and his sons were brought up as Englishmen in an English court.</p>
<p>The Welsh victory ended when they didn&#8217;t skewer Henry right next to Richard.</p>
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		By: CambroUiDunlainge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CambroUiDunlainge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2018 00:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29891&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Really not sure if that&#039;s optimism or pessimism.

Protesting it will not make a difference - we saw that with Occupy and the protesting against the Iraq war.

Remember that Hospital the Yanks destroyed by accident in the middle east a few years ago? After reporting it once it disappeared. Media will quash reporting on unrest and go into ignore mode. There&#039;ll be fuss leading up to it - protesting maybe, definitely on the day but after that the media will play the whole more important things story... we&#039;re going to be living with Brexit and the the doom that follows for at least 20 years - attention will wane. It&#039;ll prevent us and the Scots getting referendums (&quot;Now isn&#039;t the time!&quot; &quot;When is the time?&quot; &quot;Never!&quot;).

I can just imagine Cairns telling us that its to increase unity and binds the UK together. Oh I think they&#039;ll do it... they never learn. It&#039;s whether we can keep it relevant and use it and a hostile media to our advantage. Betty Battenburg has only got a few more miles on the clock... and when she does pop those clogs there&#039;ll be sympathy over it. Also a point of note... YougGov opinion polls Harry and William as quite popular individuals - significantly more so than British politicians.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29891">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Really not sure if that&#8217;s optimism or pessimism.</p>
<p>Protesting it will not make a difference &#8211; we saw that with Occupy and the protesting against the Iraq war.</p>
<p>Remember that Hospital the Yanks destroyed by accident in the middle east a few years ago? After reporting it once it disappeared. Media will quash reporting on unrest and go into ignore mode. There&#8217;ll be fuss leading up to it &#8211; protesting maybe, definitely on the day but after that the media will play the whole more important things story&#8230; we&#8217;re going to be living with Brexit and the the doom that follows for at least 20 years &#8211; attention will wane. It&#8217;ll prevent us and the Scots getting referendums (&#8220;Now isn&#8217;t the time!&#8221; &#8220;When is the time?&#8221; &#8220;Never!&#8221;).</p>
<p>I can just imagine Cairns telling us that its to increase unity and binds the UK together. Oh I think they&#8217;ll do it&#8230; they never learn. It&#8217;s whether we can keep it relevant and use it and a hostile media to our advantage. Betty Battenburg has only got a few more miles on the clock&#8230; and when she does pop those clogs there&#8217;ll be sympathy over it. Also a point of note&#8230; YougGov opinion polls Harry and William as quite popular individuals &#8211; significantly more so than British politicians.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brychan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29886&quot;&gt;DP&lt;/a&gt;.

The statement by Carwyn is interestingly worded in that he used the words ‘legally obtained’ in his defence over details of contact between the health board and an AM is confidential. I also do not believe that civil servants would knowingly break the law in this matter, even if ordered to by the First Minister.  I suspect the breach was via Sophie Howe.

Under the ‘Wellness and Future Generations” there is a requirement for a health board to ensure consultations are conducted in accordance with the provisions and the commissioner under the act is required to hold such information. The health board have apologised for providing misleading information, however, accurate or not, the correspondence between the health board and an AM is confidential, other than they are required to provide a report on such matters to the commissioner.

I think Sophie told Carwyn, and the confidentiality breach was exposed by a clerical error at Hywel Dda Health Board, for which they have correctly apologised. Of course, we all know that the Wellness and Future Generations outfit is just a Labour Party front, what’s evident is that WG ministers are about to drop a bombshell over the future of hospitals in West Wales. So vexed by the proposals they are doing a Stazi operation on any concerned AMs.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29886">DP</a>.</p>
<p>The statement by Carwyn is interestingly worded in that he used the words ‘legally obtained’ in his defence over details of contact between the health board and an AM is confidential. I also do not believe that civil servants would knowingly break the law in this matter, even if ordered to by the First Minister.  I suspect the breach was via Sophie Howe.</p>
<p>Under the ‘Wellness and Future Generations” there is a requirement for a health board to ensure consultations are conducted in accordance with the provisions and the commissioner under the act is required to hold such information. The health board have apologised for providing misleading information, however, accurate or not, the correspondence between the health board and an AM is confidential, other than they are required to provide a report on such matters to the commissioner.</p>
<p>I think Sophie told Carwyn, and the confidentiality breach was exposed by a clerical error at Hywel Dda Health Board, for which they have correctly apologised. Of course, we all know that the Wellness and Future Generations outfit is just a Labour Party front, what’s evident is that WG ministers are about to drop a bombshell over the future of hospitals in West Wales. So vexed by the proposals they are doing a Stazi operation on any concerned AMs.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29890&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

I &lt;a href=&quot;http://jacothenorth.net/blog/neil-mcevoy-and-the-night-visitors/&quot;&gt;wrote about it.&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29890">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>I <a href="http://jacothenorth.net/blog/neil-mcevoy-and-the-night-visitors/">wrote about it.</a></p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2018 23:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29887&quot;&gt;David Robins&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;d love another Investiture (even though I had to see the 1969 one in Ireland) but they wouldn&#039;t be so stupid as to give us one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/sheroes-herstory-and-leadhership-the-weird-world-of-helen-mary-jones/#comment-29887">David Robins</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love another Investiture (even though I had to see the 1969 one in Ireland) but they wouldn&#8217;t be so stupid as to give us one.</p>
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