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		By: Dafydd		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40535</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dafydd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 09:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40378&quot;&gt;David Robins&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you medically qualified person - now move on to how you would actually promote Welsh independence.]]></description>
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<p>Thank you medically qualified person &#8211; now move on to how you would actually promote Welsh independence.</p>
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		By: Math		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40534</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Math]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jul 2021 05:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40326&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Its got 77th Brigade fingerprints all over it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40326">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Its got 77th Brigade fingerprints all over it.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2021 21:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40421&quot;&gt;Ffred Clegg&lt;/a&gt;.

He has resigned. Here&#039;s the statement he put out.
&lt;img src=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/YC-Andrew-OBrien.png&quot; alt=&quot;Andrew O&#039;Brien&quot; /&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40421">Ffred Clegg</a>.</p>
<p>He has resigned. Here&#8217;s the statement he put out.<br />
<img src="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/YC-Andrew-OBrien.png" alt="Andrew O'Brien" /></p>
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		By: Ffred Clegg		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2021 13:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Latest news is that Andrew O&#039;Brien has resigned from his posts following last weekend&#039;s meeting.

I don&#039;t know any more - does anyone else?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Latest news is that Andrew O&#8217;Brien has resigned from his posts following last weekend&#8217;s meeting.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know any more &#8211; does anyone else?</p>
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		By: Maglocunos		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Maglocunos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2021 22:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40318&quot;&gt;Tony&lt;/a&gt;.

North Wales South Wales

Divide and rule.Get it???

Mae Cymru&#039;n Un]]></description>
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<p>North Wales South Wales</p>
<p>Divide and rule.Get it???</p>
<p>Mae Cymru&#8217;n Un</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40380</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 13:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40378&quot;&gt;David Robins&lt;/a&gt;.

A fascinating comparison, David. I particularly liked your term, &quot;aggrieved entitlement&quot;. And you obviously appreciate that each group reinforces its members&#039; perceptions of victimhood, which then &#039;justifies&#039; violence against the &#039;oppressors&#039;.

The situation here is not as bad as in North America, but there are still disingenuous individuals playing a dangerous game. Such as the mayor of Bangor. To believe him, he lives in constant fear of being physically attacked by homophobes, transphobes, etc. If he is in danger of attack then he&#039;s probably brought it on himself by being a very annoying and vocal narcissist. It would have little to do with his sexuality or gender identification. 

The criticism he&#039;s received is due entirely to him arguing that men can be women. And that teenagers can demand whatever life-changing procedures they&#039;ve been misled into believing they urgently need. But it has &lt;em&gt;nothing&lt;/em&gt; to do with how he wishes to describe himself. 

He and his clique also link the reservations over the more extreme trans activists&#039; claims with wider LGB issues. The two are entirely separate, and the collapse of Stonewall has exposed how many gay men and lesbians (plus feminists) feel alienated and even threatened by this argument. At the end of the day, Hurcum and his &lt;em&gt;very noisy&lt;/em&gt; friends are a minority within a minority, but one that demands everyone listens to them and everyone agrees with them.

Now that Stonewall is discredited, and so much Woke nonsense is being rolled back, it will be interesting to see how Hurcum, Aled Gwyn Williams and the rest of the gang respond. For what&#039;s happened to Stonewall will impact on the &#039;Welsh Government&#039;, the NHS, Plaid Cymru, YesCymru, the third sector, and many other areas of Welsh life.

They could still do a great deal of damage because Wokeism was eagerly embraced by &#039;progressives&#039; in Wales, and nobody likes to admit they&#039;re wrong. Reputations are on the line, and lots of lovely funding.

Personally, I&#039;d adopt the one, sharp pull on the sticking plaster approach rather than dragging it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40378">David Robins</a>.</p>
<p>A fascinating comparison, David. I particularly liked your term, &#8220;aggrieved entitlement&#8221;. And you obviously appreciate that each group reinforces its members&#8217; perceptions of victimhood, which then &#8216;justifies&#8217; violence against the &#8216;oppressors&#8217;.</p>
<p>The situation here is not as bad as in North America, but there are still disingenuous individuals playing a dangerous game. Such as the mayor of Bangor. To believe him, he lives in constant fear of being physically attacked by homophobes, transphobes, etc. If he is in danger of attack then he&#8217;s probably brought it on himself by being a very annoying and vocal narcissist. It would have little to do with his sexuality or gender identification. </p>
<p>The criticism he&#8217;s received is due entirely to him arguing that men can be women. And that teenagers can demand whatever life-changing procedures they&#8217;ve been misled into believing they urgently need. But it has <em>nothing</em> to do with how he wishes to describe himself. </p>
<p>He and his clique also link the reservations over the more extreme trans activists&#8217; claims with wider LGB issues. The two are entirely separate, and the collapse of Stonewall has exposed how many gay men and lesbians (plus feminists) feel alienated and even threatened by this argument. At the end of the day, Hurcum and his <em>very noisy</em> friends are a minority within a minority, but one that demands everyone listens to them and everyone agrees with them.</p>
<p>Now that Stonewall is discredited, and so much Woke nonsense is being rolled back, it will be interesting to see how Hurcum, Aled Gwyn Williams and the rest of the gang respond. For what&#8217;s happened to Stonewall will impact on the &#8216;Welsh Government&#8217;, the NHS, Plaid Cymru, YesCymru, the third sector, and many other areas of Welsh life.</p>
<p>They could still do a great deal of damage because Wokeism was eagerly embraced by &#8216;progressives&#8217; in Wales, and nobody likes to admit they&#8217;re wrong. Reputations are on the line, and lots of lovely funding.</p>
<p>Personally, I&#8217;d adopt the one, sharp pull on the sticking plaster approach rather than dragging it out.</p>
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		By: David Robins		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’ve tried a little thought-experiment, comparing the trans community with another group on the margins, the incel community.  Incels – involuntary celibates – are mostly young men who struggle to form relationships.  They blame lack of physical looks rather than of social skills and will sometimes seek out various forms of body modification in a bid to solve their problem.  Both communities have their own lingo, including words for the out-group generally (cis / normie) or those designated ‘the enemy’ (TERFs &#038; fashy phobes / Chads &#038; Stacys).  Both communities have members who think The Big One – having sex ‘right’ or changing sex – will transform their lives for the better.  Both have members who are bitterly disappointed if it doesn’t.  Both judge women’s concerns over boundaries being breached to be unreasonable and intolerable.  For trans advocates, women-only spaces are selfish; for incels, the emotional impact of rejection can be labelled ‘reverse rape’.  Both are driven by aggrieved entitlement and need for power, for which misogyny is often the mask.

Both groups include attention-seekers who speak openly about suicide if they don’t get what they crave.  Both have radicalised and now include members who advocate violence.  Among incels, this has led in Canada and the US to mass shootings.  Among trans advocates, it’s at the level of screaming ‘Kill the TERFs!’.  Those who deem all gender-critical views harmful because such views may embolden anti-trans violence (they reject the idea of perpetrators’ personal responsibility for violent acts) don’t see the same rule applying to them.

Most fascinating of all is the different response from the ‘progressive’ media.  The trans community have been embraced as one of the wokey Left’s ‘pets’.  They can do no wrong.  The incel community, finding no help forthcoming, have drifted to the alt-Right, allowing them to be monstered as ‘toxic’, with ‘disordered beliefs’.  Trans are Good People, oppressed by the cis-heteronormative patriarchy.  Incels, on the other hand, are Sad Losers who just need to Get a Life.  Mockery acceptable in this context is judged a ‘phobic’ ‘hate crime’ in the other.  We have ‘characteristics apartheid’, where the law deems some people – the current iteration of ‘pets’ – more worthy of protection than others.  Some incels may be autistic, and therefore as sufferers of a disability it’s illegal to discriminate against them, though this point is rarely raised.

The sharply contrasting responses to two groups of unhappy people – one extrovert and lionised, the other introvert and demonised – should remind us that much of the medico-sociological ‘fact’ we encounter is politically constructed.  You see what you want to see, but my eyesight is at least as good as yours.  Guillaume Faye, arguably the greatest thinker of the French New Right, wrote ‘Sex &#038; Deviance’, in which he traced the roots of gender theory to Soviet-era Lysenkoism.  It’s worth a read, though hard work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve tried a little thought-experiment, comparing the trans community with another group on the margins, the incel community.  Incels – involuntary celibates – are mostly young men who struggle to form relationships.  They blame lack of physical looks rather than of social skills and will sometimes seek out various forms of body modification in a bid to solve their problem.  Both communities have their own lingo, including words for the out-group generally (cis / normie) or those designated ‘the enemy’ (TERFs &amp; fashy phobes / Chads &amp; Stacys).  Both communities have members who think The Big One – having sex ‘right’ or changing sex – will transform their lives for the better.  Both have members who are bitterly disappointed if it doesn’t.  Both judge women’s concerns over boundaries being breached to be unreasonable and intolerable.  For trans advocates, women-only spaces are selfish; for incels, the emotional impact of rejection can be labelled ‘reverse rape’.  Both are driven by aggrieved entitlement and need for power, for which misogyny is often the mask.</p>
<p>Both groups include attention-seekers who speak openly about suicide if they don’t get what they crave.  Both have radicalised and now include members who advocate violence.  Among incels, this has led in Canada and the US to mass shootings.  Among trans advocates, it’s at the level of screaming ‘Kill the TERFs!’.  Those who deem all gender-critical views harmful because such views may embolden anti-trans violence (they reject the idea of perpetrators’ personal responsibility for violent acts) don’t see the same rule applying to them.</p>
<p>Most fascinating of all is the different response from the ‘progressive’ media.  The trans community have been embraced as one of the wokey Left’s ‘pets’.  They can do no wrong.  The incel community, finding no help forthcoming, have drifted to the alt-Right, allowing them to be monstered as ‘toxic’, with ‘disordered beliefs’.  Trans are Good People, oppressed by the cis-heteronormative patriarchy.  Incels, on the other hand, are Sad Losers who just need to Get a Life.  Mockery acceptable in this context is judged a ‘phobic’ ‘hate crime’ in the other.  We have ‘characteristics apartheid’, where the law deems some people – the current iteration of ‘pets’ – more worthy of protection than others.  Some incels may be autistic, and therefore as sufferers of a disability it’s illegal to discriminate against them, though this point is rarely raised.</p>
<p>The sharply contrasting responses to two groups of unhappy people – one extrovert and lionised, the other introvert and demonised – should remind us that much of the medico-sociological ‘fact’ we encounter is politically constructed.  You see what you want to see, but my eyesight is at least as good as yours.  Guillaume Faye, arguably the greatest thinker of the French New Right, wrote ‘Sex &amp; Deviance’, in which he traced the roots of gender theory to Soviet-era Lysenkoism.  It’s worth a read, though hard work.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40359</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2021 15:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just popped in to have a browse, as one does when so many other sources are flooded with fibs and downright lies. 

Your tweet column does a good job of highlighting the grievance industry that has grown in the UK and has now invaded Wales like a nasty dose of Japanese knot weed. Had this grievance industry been stimulated by a genuine concern for the liberation of Wales there might be cause for some celebration. On the contrary what we are now witnessing, and some unfortunates are experiencing, is the rapid corrosion of our core objectives by a cluster of cults or sects each promoting its own agenda at the expense those foundation objectives. 

Yes Cymru, like Plaid, is now a corpse hollowed out by a cancer of subversive elements. Had they been genuine community orientated socialists in their motivations there might be a degree of acceptance. But no, what we see is a new breed of ultra fascist supremacists who only tolerate their own narrow creed or ideology, are unwilling and unable to devote a minute of their time to anything that doesn&#039;t promptly chime with their dogma. These are vermin. They threaten violence, well let them be aware that as far as I&#039;m concerned they will be repaid in kind, eye for an eye.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just popped in to have a browse, as one does when so many other sources are flooded with fibs and downright lies. </p>
<p>Your tweet column does a good job of highlighting the grievance industry that has grown in the UK and has now invaded Wales like a nasty dose of Japanese knot weed. Had this grievance industry been stimulated by a genuine concern for the liberation of Wales there might be cause for some celebration. On the contrary what we are now witnessing, and some unfortunates are experiencing, is the rapid corrosion of our core objectives by a cluster of cults or sects each promoting its own agenda at the expense those foundation objectives. </p>
<p>Yes Cymru, like Plaid, is now a corpse hollowed out by a cancer of subversive elements. Had they been genuine community orientated socialists in their motivations there might be a degree of acceptance. But no, what we see is a new breed of ultra fascist supremacists who only tolerate their own narrow creed or ideology, are unwilling and unable to devote a minute of their time to anything that doesn&#8217;t promptly chime with their dogma. These are vermin. They threaten violence, well let them be aware that as far as I&#8217;m concerned they will be repaid in kind, eye for an eye.</p>
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		By: David Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jun 2021 04:28:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40356&quot;&gt;Red Flag&lt;/a&gt;.

What exactly have I &#039;lost&#039; praytell? And what have I said that is far off the mark as to be laughable? You write words, but say nothing. Lay off that cooking sherry.]]></description>
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<p>What exactly have I &#8216;lost&#8217; praytell? And what have I said that is far off the mark as to be laughable? You write words, but say nothing. Lay off that cooking sherry.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jun 2021 09:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/yescymru-the-beginning-of-the-end/#comment-40352&quot;&gt;David Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

Luckily, the longer you keep thinking like that (which is so far wide of the mark as to be pure comedy), the longer you will kepp losing and wondering why you lost.

Bit like the idiots and halfwits running Labour and the LibDems in London and Plaid in Wales.]]></description>
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<p>Luckily, the longer you keep thinking like that (which is so far wide of the mark as to be pure comedy), the longer you will kepp losing and wondering why you lost.</p>
<p>Bit like the idiots and halfwits running Labour and the LibDems in London and Plaid in Wales.</p>
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