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This is how the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bbc.co.uk\/news\/uk-wales-politics-22760984\">BBC News website covered it<\/a>. (The Public Accounts Committee reports can be found <a href=\"http:\/\/www.senedd.assemblywales.org\/mgIssueHistoryHome.aspx?IId=3981\">here<\/a>.) Having followed this story for a couple of years, and spoken with Pol Wong, the man behind the project, quite a few times, I can tell you that the truth is very different. And rather worrying.<\/p>\n<p>To get where we find ourselves today official documents have been altered; senior civil servants have been dishonest and partial; the Welsh Government deliberately misinformed the Public Accounts Committee; decent people have been scapegoated; while the former local Labour Assembly Member (Karen Sinclair) sank to a level of vindictiveness that would have drawn gasps of awed approval from the brothers and sisters down south.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">A valuable and financially viable project, a project that could have become a national asset, was sabotaged because those behind it &#8216;didn&#8217;t fit&#8217;, they didn&#8217;t meet with the approval of the Labour Party and certain civil servants. Wales could have been home to the only officially-sanctioned Shaolin monastery outside China, but the party of Cledwyn Hughes and Jim Griffiths destroyed <a href=\"http:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Pol-Wong.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-16880\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft wp-image-16880\" src=\"http:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Pol-Wong.jpg\" alt=\"Pol Wong\" width=\"264\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Pol-Wong.jpg 283w, https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Pol-Wong-96x73.jpg 96w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 264px) 100vw, 264px\" \/><\/a>the project because the man leading it is &#8216;too Welsh&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">Though I am convinced that the death-blow to the project was provoked by Pol&#8217;s simultaneous <a href=\"http:\/\/deffrorddraig.com\/23-2\/\">involvement in exposing the h<\/a><a href=\"http:\/\/deffrorddraig.com\/23-2\/\">itherto secret West Cheshire sub-regional strategy<\/a> (in which &#8216;West Cheshire&#8217; equates with north east Wales). The chronology persuades me that fighting this takeover of our north east made Pol enemies in high places, and they took their revenge.<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">For me there are three lessons to be drawn from this case:<\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>1\/ The Labour Party in Wales still contains too many anti-Welsh bigots. Bigots of the kind that would, in a normal country, be an embarrassment to any mainstream political party.<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>2\/ Wales is in reality governed by civil servants, who can run rings around the buffoons sitting in the Assembly. Many of these civil servants operate with complete freedom because their authority comes from London, and this trumps anything in Cardiff. The perfect illustration of this would be the Local Development Plans being forced on Welsh local authorities by the English Planning Inspectorate.<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\"><em><span style=\"color: #000000;\"><strong>3\/ In a normal country, with a healthy and independent media, the story of Powys Fadog would be meat and drink for investigative reporters. In Wales today, all we have are sad and compliant outposts of London, or else regurgitators of press releases and promoters of Cardiff.<\/strong><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"MsoNormal\">What follows is Pol Wong&#8217;s reponse the Public Accounts Committee report. It was originally issued &#8211; yesterday &#8211; as an e-mail. Pol has kindly allowed me to reprint it here, so that more people might learn the truth of the Powys Fadog \/ River Lodge project. (I decided to publish certain sections in bold type to highlight what I consider to be their significance.)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">&#8220;Powys Fadog response to Welsh Government report on River Lodge &#8211; &#8220;half a story&#8221;.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The headline quote of the report is that \u201cover \u00a31.6m of public money has been wasted\u201d. This is nonsense. The same could be said of any Welsh Government property bought at the top of the market and which has substantially reduced in value as a result of market forces. The Welsh Government still own a valuable asset in River Lodge, which they acknowledge is worth at least \u00a3500,000 in today\u2019s market, so how can the money have been wasted? They still own the property. Similarly had the lease to Powys Fadog gone ahead, the Welsh Government would still have owned the building and Powys Fadog would have been obliged to pay a rent of \u00a331,000 a year\u00a0, which is an income for the public purse.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Value for money only became an issue\u00a0from 2010 onwards, AFTER\u00a0the Welsh Government stopped the project.<\/strong> The relevant officers with the relevant authority making the decisions, thought in their professional opinion that the project was value for money. Of course, these officers had read the business plan. It&#8217;s only many years later that these decision have been overturned without being quantified. As far as we know, the people who overturned these decisions don&#8217;t seem to know anything about the project.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Value for money is of course a very subjective issue. The purchase price was market value, this is now acknowledged through this report, therefore I think they need to explain why they think it was a waste of money.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">If Powys Fadog had been successful then the value for money in terms of the project is proven. If it wasn&#8217;t successful then the building would have reverted back to the Government. Instead they&#8217;ve chosen to keep the building empty with a vague plan for a health centre, that has clearly been pushed through whilst holding back our project approval. Is that value for money?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">We also need to look at value for money in terms of other projects and the criteria used for them. For example, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cywain.co.uk\/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=9&amp;Itemid=16\">Canolfan Cywain<\/a>\u00a0in Bala (more <a href=\"http:\/\/www.dailypost.co.uk\/news\/local-news\/inquiry-cards-after-cywain-centre-2642020\">here<\/a> and <a href=\"http:\/\/wales.gov.uk\/publications\/accessinfo\/disclogs\/dl2013\/janmar\/culture1\/dlcul94\/?lang=en\">here<\/a>), <a href=\"http:\/\/www.nantgwrtheyrn.org\/\">Nant Gwyrtheyrn*<\/a>, the <a href=\"http:\/\/www.denbighshirefreepress.co.uk\/news\/117780\/royal-hotel-for-the-homeless-in-llangollen.aspx\">Royal Hotel in Llangollen<\/a>. They&#8217;ve all received funding from the public purse which is many, many more times what Powys Fadog was looking for. Although we\u2019re not knocking these projects, <strong>a hotel in Llangollen had \u00a31m to refurbish the outside of their building,\u00a0 and this was a private business.<\/strong> We are a not-for-profit social enterprise, the question we ask is: \u201cwhat was different about our project?\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">Generally, I think there is too much focus on what are very sweeping statements that are not detailed nor evidenced, concerning\u00a0value for money. I think what is more important are some of the other issues that the report acknowledges. These point to much more worrying actions regarding the use of public money and public trust in the Government<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The report clearly states that Powys Fadog had been treated unfairly. It also clearly states that there was a \u201ctantamount communication blackout\u201d, and explains\u00a0that Powys Fadog were shut out of options for the site in 2010,\u00a0when we were the most viable option on the table even according to the district valuer.\u00a0Under those circumstances they ran our lease out\u00a0of time\u00a0and prevented us\u00a0from\u00a0securing any other funding. They did not act in good faith and even stopped our potential funders from viewing the site.\u00a0We were never given chance to address any so called &#8220;issues&#8221;. None of the reasons for this treatment are addressed by the report.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>Possibly the most concern should be the acknowledgement that a crucial document, which was an independent review of the project, that looked into all the issues raised by <a href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Karen_Sinclair\">Karen Sinclair AM<\/a> and those responsible for stopping the project, was altered. Again this was done AFTER the project was stopped not before. The report notes that the original review found no impropriety and that the value for money was fine. The amended report shows different conclusions.<a href=\"http:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Karen-Sinclair.jpg\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-16882\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright wp-image-16882\" src=\"http:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Karen-Sinclair.jpg\" alt=\"Karen Sinclair\" width=\"117\" height=\"200\" srcset=\"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Karen-Sinclair.jpg 226w, https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Karen-Sinclair-140x240.jpg 140w, https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2013\/06\/Karen-Sinclair-56x96.jpg 56w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 117px) 100vw, 117px\" \/><\/a><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">When asked to provide the tracked changes of this vital evidence by the Committee, the Welsh Government refused to provide it to the Committee. This is unbelievable to any reasonable person and highlights serious issues in terms of honesty and integrity regarding the Governments story. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">To summarise, we are happy to see that some things we&#8217;ve been saying for a long time have finally been acknowledged. We understand the remit of the report was quite narrow but\u00a0it has\u00a0flagged up some serious concerns which now need further investigation. There are far more serious issues raised in terms of public trust than the value for money headline, which seems to be a bit of a red herring.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">The Welsh Government\u00a0have a building that is\u00a0sitting\u00a0empty and deteriorating, instead of having a centre delivering jobs, a major development in health fitness, promoting the Welsh language and culture and history, along with education and community cohesion. The project has a viable business plan and will provide international out of season tourism to Llangollen. <strong>Is the money the Welsh Government spent stopping our project over the last 6 years value for money?<\/strong> Hundreds of thousand of pounds has been spent on solicitors and reports to avoid speaking to us. The whole way they&#8217;ve treated Powys Fadog and the message that gives out does not show the Welsh Government in a good light. The message is that the Welsh Government think it&#8217;s perfectly acceptable to do what they&#8217;ve done.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\">A substantial body of the evidence we submitted has not been considered, such as what was the legal issue that was raised to stop our project? This still hasn&#8217;t been answered. What is the value for money issue exactly? Also why was the Chris Munday report altered and why are they hiding it? Why did they close the door on us, was that fair? A lot of the evidence we submitted actually reveals another timeline of events, as yet undeclared, involving Karen Sinclair AM, Welsh Audit Office officers and Welsh Assembly officers and Ministers involved in the halting of the Powys Fadog project. Most of this evidence is already in the public domain.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>In my evidence I declared that I thought the Welsh audit office report was not impartial due to communication between Karen Sinclair AM and the Wales Audit Office. Since I made that declaration, more evidence has come out through FOI that in fact Karen Sinclair and Audit Office officials, and the officers responsible for blocking the project were meeting at her home.<\/strong> Some of this evidence contains an arrangement to meet and discuss an unfinished disciplinary report in march 2010, between Karen Sinclair AM, Arwel Thomas (Welsh Government officer responsible for recommending the project was stopped) and Richard Harries of the Welsh Audit Office. Surely this speaks for itself and at the same time letters between the Health Board, various Ministers and Karen Sinclair demonstrate that plans for a health centre on the site were well under way whilst we were being subjected to our \u2018communication blackout&#8217; and the review document was being altered.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"color: #0000ff;\"><strong>It is beyond doubt from the evidence that we have seen that the Welsh Government and the Wales Audit Office have deliberately misinformed the Public Accounts Committee. This is a very serious matter and should be investigated as a matter of urgency.&#8221;<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p>*One of the income streams planned for River Lodge was residential Welsh courses. As <a href=\"http:\/\/wefo.wales.gov.uk\/news\/latest\/6675563\/?lang=en\">this piece<\/a> shows, there is definitely a demand for such courses. It may be argued that this would have put River Lodge in competition with Nant Gwyrtheyrn, but NG is solely for language courses whereas at River Lodge such courses would have been part of a wide range of activities and courses on offer. Also bear in mind the distance &#8211; some 80 miles &#8211; between the two locations.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Over the past couple of days you&#8217;ve probably read or heard about what has been presented as a scandalous waste of public money on a silly idea for a &#8220;kung fu lodge&#8221; in Llangollen. This is how the BBC News website covered it. (The Public Accounts Committee reports can be found here.) Having followed this &hellip; <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/river-lodge-and-powys-fadog-wales-lied-to-again\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">River Lodge and Powys Fadog: Wales Lied To, Again<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":124,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_acf_changed":false,"give_campaign_id":0,"advanced_seo_description":"","jetpack_seo_html_title":"","jetpack_seo_noindex":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_access":"","_jetpack_dont_email_post_to_subs":false,"_jetpack_newsletter_tier_id":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paywalled_content":false,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":"","jetpack_post_was_ever_published":false},"categories":[175],"tags":[273,275,272,277,271,270,276,269,274],"class_list":["post-2059","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-civil-service","tag-arwel-thomas","tag-chris-munday","tag-karen-sinclair","tag-lebensraum","tag-pol-wong","tag-powys-fadog","tag-richard-harries","tag-river-lodge-llangollen","tag-west-cheshire-sub-regional-plan"],"acf":[],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p3gS9T-xd","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2059","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/124"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=2059"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/2059\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=2059"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=2059"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/jacothenorth.net\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=2059"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}