I don’t buy that entirely. It certainly doesn’t work in Scotland. If Plaid Cymru spoke out more against the corruption of Westminster it might reap the rewards.

A lot of people I speak too seem to think that UKIP would be bigger guns in Westminster than Plaid Cymru.
I doubt that people think Plaid are part of the establishment.

They think that Plaid are just a regional party, where as UKIP are a national party and would serve Wales better.

No doubt you’re right, but as I’ve asked in a number of earlier posts – why couldn’t Plaid Cymru benefit from this anti-Westminster sentiment? Is Plaid seen as party of the establishment, part of the problem? If so, then Plaid has major problems.

Simple Jac, they hate the political elite, bubble, and liars. We need/want a change.

Can’t accept the football interpretation. Ukip got over 30% of the vote in some Valleys seats, that can’t be attributed to the influence of a few football hooligans. Something else is going on.

well that is proof of at least the beginnings of a “mutual” relationship between closet nasties and openly nasty bastards. No doubt some of the BF relatives have already migrated to Wales as part of the Anglo “redistribution of scum” policy. It occurs to me that the growth of UKIP in South Wales may be partly due to the transfer of beliefs/behaviour that goes on among football fans and we have 2 clubs that are now mixing it with Prem and Championship clubs many of whom have supporter groups who are long term allies of ( or share common membership with ) extremist organisations. Now Swans and City can muster c.15,000 fans and if only a small %age of those absorb these ideas then in no time at all you have a substantial presence. Plus of course the lads who will join anything for a bit of aggro !!!

I agree that Ukip is getting a lot of votes from those who do not normally vote, and much of this is in declining coastal resorts where London dumps its surplus. Further, many of those voting Ukip in these places will have first-hand knowledge of immigration. But how does this explain Ukip’s showing in south Wales in May?

Britain First is a BNP breakaway group attracting a lot of support – and telling its supporters to vote Ukip! As a “street defence organisation” it could provide the Brownshirts. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/ampp3d/surprise-you-how-similar-britain-4530710

what you describe is the classic neo fascist growth pattern. Always feed crap to the disaffected and get them “mobilised” against all sorts of bogeymen. No brown/blackshirts at present, but sports coat and check shirt is everywhere. Once some BNP types drift across, you’ll see the true nature of UKIP come to the surface & all hell will break loose.

on the contrary I see them ( UKIP) for what they are. No illusions about Anglos adopting hostile postures against all else. If you are one of them then, fair enough, you are what you are, but I will oppose you unreservedly. UKIP certainly will never do anything that fosters Welsh identity and independence – can you demonstrate anything to the contrary in their actions ? They hate the Welsh language & culture and wish to flood our land with more dross from the conurbations.