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		By: Martin		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26183</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2017 10:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26130&quot;&gt;daffy2012&lt;/a&gt;.

He portrays himself as an outsider and populist, much like this blog would celebrate in other circumstances. In Gwynedd Plaid Cymru is the establishment (a professional, effective, patriotic establishment!) and Labour is outside the circle. Despite much of Gwynedd being Labour in the post-war years. He &#039;stands up for his village&#039; allegedly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26130">daffy2012</a>.</p>
<p>He portrays himself as an outsider and populist, much like this blog would celebrate in other circumstances. In Gwynedd Plaid Cymru is the establishment (a professional, effective, patriotic establishment!) and Labour is outside the circle. Despite much of Gwynedd being Labour in the post-war years. He &#8216;stands up for his village&#8217; allegedly.</p>
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		By: gaynor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gaynor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2017 12:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26100&quot;&gt;Andy Williams&lt;/a&gt;.

So how come PLaid&#039;s majority increases every election if that ineffectual, you could do a lot worse mate, be thankful that you have somebody of the claibre of Adam Price and especially Jonathon Edwards representing you - if you don&#039;t realise that you are quite ignorant of life in your constituency , BTW Caramrthesnhire has fared better in the last 20 yrs compared to many other western counties in Wales, - you should check your facts and the records]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26100">Andy Williams</a>.</p>
<p>So how come PLaid&#8217;s majority increases every election if that ineffectual, you could do a lot worse mate, be thankful that you have somebody of the claibre of Adam Price and especially Jonathon Edwards representing you &#8211; if you don&#8217;t realise that you are quite ignorant of life in your constituency , BTW Caramrthesnhire has fared better in the last 20 yrs compared to many other western counties in Wales, &#8211; you should check your facts and the records</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26132&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I wrote about him &lt;a href=&quot;http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gill-an-update/&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, in July 2014. The company I wrote about at the time was Vitaplankton.

Someone contacted me last week about the BuzzFeed article and I put something out on Twitter. &lt;a href=&quot;https://twitter.com/JacotheNorth/status/852542116496637952&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here it is&lt;/a&gt;. A subsequent message told me that Vitaplankton has gone bust.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26132">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>I wrote about him <a href="http://jacothenorth.net/blog/nathan-gill-an-update/">here</a>, in July 2014. The company I wrote about at the time was Vitaplankton.</p>
<p>Someone contacted me last week about the BuzzFeed article and I put something out on Twitter. <a href="https://twitter.com/JacotheNorth/status/852542116496637952" rel="nofollow">Here it is</a>. A subsequent message told me that Vitaplankton has gone bust.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Different tack entirely. BuzzFeed News, this week,  reporting that ...

A company run by a senior UKIP politician is selling what appears to be industrial-strength bleach as a health product, with instructions for users to put a few drops of it in drinks or use it with water as mouthwash.

Andrew Haigh, who was appointed UKIP’s national organiser for Wales in 2015, has, according to the website of his company Vitalox, been supplying “Aerobic Oxygen” since 1998. Its leaflet describes it as “good for you” and “the healthier element” – it says it &quot;harness[es] the powerful healing properties of oxygen for use within the body&quot;.

However, a chemist who tested the product told BuzzFeed News it’s “reasonable to say it’s sodium chlorite or something similar”, based on the tests he carried out. Sodium chlorite is a powerful corrosive alkali used in several industrial processes, including paper-bleaching.

Didn&#039;t you investigate this snake oil salesman back in 2014 ?   But, is it the same snake oil - or is it another product entirely ?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Different tack entirely. BuzzFeed News, this week,  reporting that &#8230;</p>
<p>A company run by a senior UKIP politician is selling what appears to be industrial-strength bleach as a health product, with instructions for users to put a few drops of it in drinks or use it with water as mouthwash.</p>
<p>Andrew Haigh, who was appointed UKIP’s national organiser for Wales in 2015, has, according to the website of his company Vitalox, been supplying “Aerobic Oxygen” since 1998. Its leaflet describes it as “good for you” and “the healthier element” – it says it &#8220;harness[es] the powerful healing properties of oxygen for use within the body&#8221;.</p>
<p>However, a chemist who tested the product told BuzzFeed News it’s “reasonable to say it’s sodium chlorite or something similar”, based on the tests he carried out. Sodium chlorite is a powerful corrosive alkali used in several industrial processes, including paper-bleaching.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t you investigate this snake oil salesman back in 2014 ?   But, is it the same snake oil &#8211; or is it another product entirely ?</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26131</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Gee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2017 08:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26130&quot;&gt;daffy2012&lt;/a&gt;.

Sad to say, but sometimes people get the politicians they deserve!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26130">daffy2012</a>.</p>
<p>Sad to say, but sometimes people get the politicians they deserve!</p>
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		By: daffy2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yet people still vote for these muppets like Sion Jones.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet people still vote for these muppets like Sion Jones.</p>
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		By: YBarddCwsc		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26129</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes, Siôn Wyn Jones was in favour of the bunkhouse. 

He was (by some margin) the most self-satisfied member of the Planning Committee.

He&#039;s one to watch for the future, I doubt being Councillor for Bethel is the limit of his ambition.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Siôn Wyn Jones was in favour of the bunkhouse. </p>
<p>He was (by some margin) the most self-satisfied member of the Planning Committee.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s one to watch for the future, I doubt being Councillor for Bethel is the limit of his ambition.</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26128</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Gee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 21:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26124&quot;&gt;The Earthshaker&lt;/a&gt;.

An absolutely excellent article by Simon Gruffydd Foster. He and I have followed similar paths. In Plaid, then left, because we both realised that the independence issue was no longer a priority for that party. Both involved with the Independent Wales Party. Both sickened by the current situation, both hopeful of an awakening. &quot;FE Godwn Ni Eto&quot; Glasiad!

And finally I find after reading his brilliant article on his blog &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;https://freewales.org/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Free Wales&lt;/a&gt;&quot; (that you linked to &#039;Earthshaker&#039;) that he is writing about things that are observed by those with an open mind and an open pair of eyes when confronted with the outworking of this global agenda. I get labelled a conspiracy theorist when I highlight these things, I sincerely hope he doesn&#039;t get the same treatment. The bottom line is that there are those of us who are awake, whilst the rest are walking around in a zombie like stupor, a hypnotic state brought about by the media who in turn are controlled by the dark suits in the shadows.

Pasg hapus. Although that nonsense is nothing more than recycled rubbish from pagan times. But I won&#039;t get on my soap-box on that subject here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26124">The Earthshaker</a>.</p>
<p>An absolutely excellent article by Simon Gruffydd Foster. He and I have followed similar paths. In Plaid, then left, because we both realised that the independence issue was no longer a priority for that party. Both involved with the Independent Wales Party. Both sickened by the current situation, both hopeful of an awakening. &#8220;FE Godwn Ni Eto&#8221; Glasiad!</p>
<p>And finally I find after reading his brilliant article on his blog &#8220;<a href="https://freewales.org/" rel="nofollow">Free Wales</a>&#8221; (that you linked to &#8216;Earthshaker&#8217;) that he is writing about things that are observed by those with an open mind and an open pair of eyes when confronted with the outworking of this global agenda. I get labelled a conspiracy theorist when I highlight these things, I sincerely hope he doesn&#8217;t get the same treatment. The bottom line is that there are those of us who are awake, whilst the rest are walking around in a zombie like stupor, a hypnotic state brought about by the media who in turn are controlled by the dark suits in the shadows.</p>
<p>Pasg hapus. Although that nonsense is nothing more than recycled rubbish from pagan times. But I won&#8217;t get on my soap-box on that subject here.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26125&quot;&gt;YBarddCwsc&lt;/a&gt;.

So I take it he was in favour of the &#039;bunkhouse&#039;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26125">YBarddCwsc</a>.</p>
<p>So I take it he was in favour of the &#8216;bunkhouse&#8217;?</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26126</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Gee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2017 20:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26117&quot;&gt;A Black&lt;/a&gt;.

You mean an in depth knowledge of Council procedures? And a diary of accrued tit bits in order to &#039;Police&#039; the activities of others? Bigots come in various flavours. Some come straight out with it (they are more likely to be respected - even by their enemies). Then there are others who slink and sneak around slyly collecting tittle bits of tittle-tattle that they can use to promote their own bigotry, by disguising it as something else. Those types usually have a skeleton or two hidden in a cupboard somewhere.

I&#039;m getting a distinct picture coming through that Councillor Lewis may fall into that second category, ducking and weaving direct questions, and deflecting anything that might expose their true agenda.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/welsh-labour/#comment-26117">A Black</a>.</p>
<p>You mean an in depth knowledge of Council procedures? And a diary of accrued tit bits in order to &#8216;Police&#8217; the activities of others? Bigots come in various flavours. Some come straight out with it (they are more likely to be respected &#8211; even by their enemies). Then there are others who slink and sneak around slyly collecting tittle bits of tittle-tattle that they can use to promote their own bigotry, by disguising it as something else. Those types usually have a skeleton or two hidden in a cupboard somewhere.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m getting a distinct picture coming through that Councillor Lewis may fall into that second category, ducking and weaving direct questions, and deflecting anything that might expose their true agenda.</p>
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