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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4770</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4768&quot;&gt;Anon&lt;/a&gt;.

He has mentioned being a Labour supporter, but I&#039;m surprised he&#039;s a conference attendee. Is he a delegate from some constituency branch, and if so, which one?]]></description>
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<p>He has mentioned being a Labour supporter, but I&#8217;m surprised he&#8217;s a conference attendee. Is he a delegate from some constituency branch, and if so, which one?</p>
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		By: Anon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 13:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So whilst Jacques Protic is posting his anti-Welsh nonsense on the BBC Wales political blog, he claims to have also attended the Labour Party conference at the same time

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29301448?postId=120405388#comment_120405388]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whilst Jacques Protic is posting his anti-Welsh nonsense on the BBC Wales political blog, he claims to have also attended the Labour Party conference at the same time</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29301448?postId=120405388#comment_120405388" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-29301448?postId=120405388#comment_120405388</a></p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4763&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;m not a bully because I don&#039;t pick on the weak and the defenceless. Nor am I a troll, because everybody knows I&#039;m Royston Jones. And, yes, I am putting myself in the public eye with my blog, so I invite comments, and I&#039;m quite prepared to accept criticism. But what I complained about with WalesEye was a bundle of lies dependent on the word of a single individual claiming the police had investigated me. I was unaware of any such investigation, so I have now submitted an FoI to NWP. If they tell me they have not investigated me then I will expect an apology from both WalesEye and Jacques Protic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4763">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a bully because I don&#8217;t pick on the weak and the defenceless. Nor am I a troll, because everybody knows I&#8217;m Royston Jones. And, yes, I am putting myself in the public eye with my blog, so I invite comments, and I&#8217;m quite prepared to accept criticism. But what I complained about with WalesEye was a bundle of lies dependent on the word of a single individual claiming the police had investigated me. I was unaware of any such investigation, so I have now submitted an FoI to NWP. If they tell me they have not investigated me then I will expect an apology from both WalesEye and Jacques Protic.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Facts? Don&#039;t make us laugh (that would be a first as well).

I&#039;ve seen you on Twitter too, you&#039;re just a bully, a troll, a nasty piece of work. There are ways of getting your points across without resorting to personal smears, swearing, targeted attacks, if they are in the public eye or not.

And aren&#039;t you putting yourself in the public eye by running a blog such as this? Though you tried to hide your identity and failed = some courage you&#039;ve got! You just don&#039;t like it when the tables are turned. Typical insecure bully who doesn&#039;t like getting a taste of his own medicine.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facts? Don&#8217;t make us laugh (that would be a first as well).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen you on Twitter too, you&#8217;re just a bully, a troll, a nasty piece of work. There are ways of getting your points across without resorting to personal smears, swearing, targeted attacks, if they are in the public eye or not.</p>
<p>And aren&#8217;t you putting yourself in the public eye by running a blog such as this? Though you tried to hide your identity and failed = some courage you&#8217;ve got! You just don&#8217;t like it when the tables are turned. Typical insecure bully who doesn&#8217;t like getting a taste of his own medicine.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:57:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4750&quot;&gt;Paul&lt;/a&gt;.

No, Paul, I don&#039;t think I&#039;m really important or powerful. All those I&#039;ve attacked are politicians or others who have put themselves in the public eye, sought public funding, or in other ways made themselves legitimate targets for criticism. And unlike WalesEye I do it by focusing on the facts.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4750">Paul</a>.</p>
<p>No, Paul, I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;m really important or powerful. All those I&#8217;ve attacked are politicians or others who have put themselves in the public eye, sought public funding, or in other ways made themselves legitimate targets for criticism. And unlike WalesEye I do it by focusing on the facts.</p>
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		By: Paul		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2014 22:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You like to think you&#039;re a big man who&#039;s really important and powerful when you dish it out to others on your website, and you get all personal and uppity when people criticise your mutterings.

You don&#039;t like it when somebody writes about you, though, do you Royston?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You like to think you&#8217;re a big man who&#8217;s really important and powerful when you dish it out to others on your website, and you get all personal and uppity when people criticise your mutterings.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t like it when somebody writes about you, though, do you Royston?</p>
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		By: Shon		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4537&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Brilliantly, BiLingo&#039;s online survey (which is still active to this day), despite being rendered statistically and factually redundant by its ridiculous structuring has still achieved to indicate the complete opposite to what the site purports is the truth!

The site certainly has the same vibe as Protic&#039;s online contributions, full of disjointed, inaccurate, obsessive, scaremongering, baseless gobbledygook that&#039;s posted at erratic intervals, promising spectacular updates and revelations that never arrive.

All mouth, no trousers!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4537">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Brilliantly, BiLingo&#8217;s online survey (which is still active to this day), despite being rendered statistically and factually redundant by its ridiculous structuring has still achieved to indicate the complete opposite to what the site purports is the truth!</p>
<p>The site certainly has the same vibe as Protic&#8217;s online contributions, full of disjointed, inaccurate, obsessive, scaremongering, baseless gobbledygook that&#8217;s posted at erratic intervals, promising spectacular updates and revelations that never arrive.</p>
<p>All mouth, no trousers!</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4535&quot;&gt;Aethwy elector&lt;/a&gt;.

Perhaps Protic&#039;s real problem is that he thinks he speaks for a &#039;silent majority&#039;, this is certainly what he claims. To support this theory he argues that the majority has been silenced by &#039;nationalist extremists&#039;. But the theory falls apart when he stands for election, because if he was right then, with the freedom from intimidation granted by a secret ballot, his &#039;silent majority&#039; is free to express itself, but it doesn&#039;t, because it doesn&#039;t exist outside the diseased mind of Jacques Protic.

What Protic says is exactly what was being spouted by BiLingo at the end of 2012 and early in 2013 (Search &#039;BiLingo&#039; at top of sidebar). Whoever was responsible for Bilingo should have been identified and prosecuted for slanderous comments against teachers and others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4535">Aethwy elector</a>.</p>
<p>Perhaps Protic&#8217;s real problem is that he thinks he speaks for a &#8216;silent majority&#8217;, this is certainly what he claims. To support this theory he argues that the majority has been silenced by &#8216;nationalist extremists&#8217;. But the theory falls apart when he stands for election, because if he was right then, with the freedom from intimidation granted by a secret ballot, his &#8216;silent majority&#8217; is free to express itself, but it doesn&#8217;t, because it doesn&#8217;t exist outside the diseased mind of Jacques Protic.</p>
<p>What Protic says is exactly what was being spouted by BiLingo at the end of 2012 and early in 2013 (Search &#8216;BiLingo&#8217; at top of sidebar). Whoever was responsible for Bilingo should have been identified and prosecuted for slanderous comments against teachers and others.</p>
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		By: Aethwy elector		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aethwy elector]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2014 13:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JP stood for election in my ward last year. Here are the results.

Alun Wyn Mummery Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales 1091 18% Elected 
 Meirion Jones Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales 1037 17% Elected 
 Jim Evans Annibynnol / Independent 762 13% Elected 
 Phil Roberts Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales 712 12% Not elected 
 Keith Evans Annibynnol / Independent 506 8% Not elected 
 Sue James Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru / Welsh Liberal Democrats 409 7% Not elected 
 Elaine Gill UK Independence Party / Plaid Annibyniaeth y DU 401 7% Not elected 
 T.Gwyn Jones Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru / Welsh Liberal Democrats 361 6% Not elected 
 Mike Carey Welsh Labour / Llafur Cymru 340 6% Not elected 
 Steve Ransome Ymgeisydd Plaid Geidwadol Cymru / Welsh Conservative Party Candidate 189 3% Not elected 
 Jacques Protic Independent 177 3% Not elected 

JP was 11th out of 11. As John Cleese might put it..

He was not elected. He performed badly. He had a poor result.  He was lagging far behind the rest of the field. He had the fewest votes .He was at the bottom of the pile. He was at the rear. He was way behind the rest of the field. He was the least popular candidate. He was the most unpopular candidate. He was in final spot. Hindmost. Rearmost....
If he hadn&#039;t been nailed to the perch he would have dropped off..

He was last!

I think these figures tell us everything we need to know about this man. He is hopelessly out of touch with the electorate, and with reality, it seems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JP stood for election in my ward last year. Here are the results.</p>
<p>Alun Wyn Mummery Plaid Cymru &#8211; The Party of Wales 1091 18% Elected<br />
 Meirion Jones Plaid Cymru &#8211; The Party of Wales 1037 17% Elected<br />
 Jim Evans Annibynnol / Independent 762 13% Elected<br />
 Phil Roberts Plaid Cymru &#8211; The Party of Wales 712 12% Not elected<br />
 Keith Evans Annibynnol / Independent 506 8% Not elected<br />
 Sue James Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru / Welsh Liberal Democrats 409 7% Not elected<br />
 Elaine Gill UK Independence Party / Plaid Annibyniaeth y DU 401 7% Not elected<br />
 T.Gwyn Jones Democratiaid Rhyddfrydol Cymru / Welsh Liberal Democrats 361 6% Not elected<br />
 Mike Carey Welsh Labour / Llafur Cymru 340 6% Not elected<br />
 Steve Ransome Ymgeisydd Plaid Geidwadol Cymru / Welsh Conservative Party Candidate 189 3% Not elected<br />
 Jacques Protic Independent 177 3% Not elected </p>
<p>JP was 11th out of 11. As John Cleese might put it..</p>
<p>He was not elected. He performed badly. He had a poor result.  He was lagging far behind the rest of the field. He had the fewest votes .He was at the bottom of the pile. He was at the rear. He was way behind the rest of the field. He was the least popular candidate. He was the most unpopular candidate. He was in final spot. Hindmost. Rearmost&#8230;.<br />
If he hadn&#8217;t been nailed to the perch he would have dropped off..</p>
<p>He was last!</p>
<p>I think these figures tell us everything we need to know about this man. He is hopelessly out of touch with the electorate, and with reality, it seems.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2014 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4486&quot;&gt;Penygadair&lt;/a&gt;.

The PC named by Phil Parry on the WalesEye website is an investigating officer covering Menai Bridge. The divisional responsibility of the Inspector, being of Conwy, does not indicate the location of the alleged incidents. He may just be a &#039;mentor&#039; for the junior officer or the officer responsible for dealing with the subsequent complaint to NWP by the alleged victim. Criminal damage to vehicle tyres and a Menai Bridge divisional response suggests that is the location of the original incident.  The MO of this type of vehicle damage is usually domestics, un-targeted anti-social behaviour, road rage altercations, or unpaid vehicle bills etc. An officer attending such an incident is highly unlikely to investigate it as an act of politically motivated terrorism, although this avenue of investigation may have been indicated at the time by the alleged victim as the formal complaint relates to this line of enquiry not being followed up.

A quick goggle finds that the alleged victim, Mr Protic, asks people online to make telephone contact with him. I found many but point to two places online. (a) one business bureau contact point in Germany (LinkIn) advertising a hotdesk service facilitating exports to the Balkans and (b) a landline telephone number in Chester, advertised as a contact point from his (Glasnost) racist blog. Both appear to be &#039;business&#039; numbers. However, the alleged abusive phone call was received in the presence of a related juvenile, indicating it was received in a domestic environment, at a home landline. Again, this indicates Menai Bridge, otherwise Mr Protics electoral nomination was fraudulent.

When investigating an abusive phone call, whether someone is male or female, background noise, and regional accent and tone of the caller is important. The alleged victim has been resident for a number of years in various properties on Ynys Mon, contact with primary schools in Conwy, and originating from with work connections with Chester and Merseyside. Evidently he has indicated the suspect as being &#039;Welsh&#039; otherwise his preposterous suggestion that JacOtheNorth is involved would not be credible. More tellingly, it would immediately eliminate someone from Swansea, living in Tywyn (Jac). Also, to perform an act of criminal damage, the suspect would also have to be in Menai Bridge with the vehicle on the date and time of the incident. The two alleged incidents must be linked as they are both included on the same complaint investigation against North Wales Police. 

The SPOC provision actually indicates the &#039;death threat on the phone&#039; is actually either didn&#039;t happen , was not credible or exaggerated or both. Vehicle damage and phone threats most often occur from domestic incidents and a minimum police provision would be an enhanced crime reference to be used on a 999 call to solicit an appropriate response. The maximum provision being a full blown witness protection arrangement. The suspect is also usually known to the victim. The WalesEye ramble has made a further error in relation to the &#039;Special Point of Contact&#039;. This is sometimes used when there have been numerous previous contacts with the police and the provision is to obtain evidence, intelligence and to channel frequent communication with the police to a specific officer who is tasked with a targeted policing relationship with the victim.  Examples of this are for attention seekers, those who the police believe may ultimately need referral to clinical or social care, the elderly who&#039;s fear of crime is greater than the actual threat, or that of a wider operation where there are multiple victims. Or in this case, I suspect a possible parking war. Victims can also be suspects.

There is an obvious further crime having been identified. Phil Parry, a journalist of 30 years experience with the South Wales Echo, BBC Wales, and now &#039;WalesEye&#039;. It is an obnoxious crime against journalism. I found more about this saga with google in my tea break. Doh!! The problem is not with North Wales Police, but alleged victims, however obnoxious, being used by sloppy journalists who should know better.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/waleseye-jacques-protic-a-marriage-made-in-hell/#comment-4486">Penygadair</a>.</p>
<p>The PC named by Phil Parry on the WalesEye website is an investigating officer covering Menai Bridge. The divisional responsibility of the Inspector, being of Conwy, does not indicate the location of the alleged incidents. He may just be a &#8216;mentor&#8217; for the junior officer or the officer responsible for dealing with the subsequent complaint to NWP by the alleged victim. Criminal damage to vehicle tyres and a Menai Bridge divisional response suggests that is the location of the original incident.  The MO of this type of vehicle damage is usually domestics, un-targeted anti-social behaviour, road rage altercations, or unpaid vehicle bills etc. An officer attending such an incident is highly unlikely to investigate it as an act of politically motivated terrorism, although this avenue of investigation may have been indicated at the time by the alleged victim as the formal complaint relates to this line of enquiry not being followed up.</p>
<p>A quick goggle finds that the alleged victim, Mr Protic, asks people online to make telephone contact with him. I found many but point to two places online. (a) one business bureau contact point in Germany (LinkIn) advertising a hotdesk service facilitating exports to the Balkans and (b) a landline telephone number in Chester, advertised as a contact point from his (Glasnost) racist blog. Both appear to be &#8216;business&#8217; numbers. However, the alleged abusive phone call was received in the presence of a related juvenile, indicating it was received in a domestic environment, at a home landline. Again, this indicates Menai Bridge, otherwise Mr Protics electoral nomination was fraudulent.</p>
<p>When investigating an abusive phone call, whether someone is male or female, background noise, and regional accent and tone of the caller is important. The alleged victim has been resident for a number of years in various properties on Ynys Mon, contact with primary schools in Conwy, and originating from with work connections with Chester and Merseyside. Evidently he has indicated the suspect as being &#8216;Welsh&#8217; otherwise his preposterous suggestion that JacOtheNorth is involved would not be credible. More tellingly, it would immediately eliminate someone from Swansea, living in Tywyn (Jac). Also, to perform an act of criminal damage, the suspect would also have to be in Menai Bridge with the vehicle on the date and time of the incident. The two alleged incidents must be linked as they are both included on the same complaint investigation against North Wales Police. </p>
<p>The SPOC provision actually indicates the &#8216;death threat on the phone&#8217; is actually either didn&#8217;t happen , was not credible or exaggerated or both. Vehicle damage and phone threats most often occur from domestic incidents and a minimum police provision would be an enhanced crime reference to be used on a 999 call to solicit an appropriate response. The maximum provision being a full blown witness protection arrangement. The suspect is also usually known to the victim. The WalesEye ramble has made a further error in relation to the &#8216;Special Point of Contact&#8217;. This is sometimes used when there have been numerous previous contacts with the police and the provision is to obtain evidence, intelligence and to channel frequent communication with the police to a specific officer who is tasked with a targeted policing relationship with the victim.  Examples of this are for attention seekers, those who the police believe may ultimately need referral to clinical or social care, the elderly who&#8217;s fear of crime is greater than the actual threat, or that of a wider operation where there are multiple victims. Or in this case, I suspect a possible parking war. Victims can also be suspects.</p>
<p>There is an obvious further crime having been identified. Phil Parry, a journalist of 30 years experience with the South Wales Echo, BBC Wales, and now &#8216;WalesEye&#8217;. It is an obnoxious crime against journalism. I found more about this saga with google in my tea break. Doh!! The problem is not with North Wales Police, but alleged victims, however obnoxious, being used by sloppy journalists who should know better.</p>
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