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		By: Gareth Davies		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2021 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38181&quot;&gt;Roger Jones&lt;/a&gt;.

All good ideas for how to change the way we manage the tourist industry.. instead of letting it manage us. But really we need to think about how Wales can generate real work and not be dependent on tourism in the first place..]]></description>
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<p>All good ideas for how to change the way we manage the tourist industry.. instead of letting it manage us. But really we need to think about how Wales can generate real work and not be dependent on tourism in the first place..</p>
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		By: David Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38152&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Jac, the sort of &#039;token&#039; Welshness within the sphere of Britishness you describe is 100% on the money, and it is a manifestation of the inescapable fact that within a British state, England will always, for now until forever, dominate proceedings. She is, in an almost literal (yet still allegorical) sense, the elephant in the room. Indeed it wouldn&#039;t be fair to impose our will on an equal basis to that of England. The UK as a state can only, perpetually exist in two forms, unitary-wise, i.e. pre-1999, or as we are now, which has English nationalists moaning about their own &quot;Oppression&quot;. You also resonate with your discussion on how &#039;British&#039; has been appropriated. How many from Ystrad Clud to Ceint will ever know the history of the lands in which they live?]]></description>
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<p>Jac, the sort of &#8216;token&#8217; Welshness within the sphere of Britishness you describe is 100% on the money, and it is a manifestation of the inescapable fact that within a British state, England will always, for now until forever, dominate proceedings. She is, in an almost literal (yet still allegorical) sense, the elephant in the room. Indeed it wouldn&#8217;t be fair to impose our will on an equal basis to that of England. The UK as a state can only, perpetually exist in two forms, unitary-wise, i.e. pre-1999, or as we are now, which has English nationalists moaning about their own &#8220;Oppression&#8221;. You also resonate with your discussion on how &#8216;British&#8217; has been appropriated. How many from Ystrad Clud to Ceint will ever know the history of the lands in which they live?</p>
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		By: Roger Jones		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2020 09:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For me the tourism sector ii wales is fine if you &quot;own&quot;  -  if you don&#039;t then you will be on minimium wage seasonal job 

the thesos of a rentier is summed up best here :

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/ppe-britain-rentier-capitalism-assets-uk-economy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me the tourism sector ii wales is fine if you &#8220;own&#8221;  &#8211;  if you don&#8217;t then you will be on minimium wage seasonal job </p>
<p>the thesos of a rentier is summed up best here :</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/ppe-britain-rentier-capitalism-assets-uk-economy" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/aug/12/ppe-britain-rentier-capitalism-assets-uk-economy</a></p>
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		By: Border Dweller		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 17:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if you’ve seen the impact of ‘tourism’ on the small village of Llanrhaeadr YM over recent weeks? An imam decided the falls are holy and ever since car fulls of devotees have been making the journey from the big smoke up a 4 mike single track road, most have only ever experienced a dual carriageway, they don’t make use of the local pub or shops, park in passing places and driveways, a tourist tax of £20 per head may provide the facilities necessary to accommodate the sudden increase in visitor numbers]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if you’ve seen the impact of ‘tourism’ on the small village of Llanrhaeadr YM over recent weeks? An imam decided the falls are holy and ever since car fulls of devotees have been making the journey from the big smoke up a 4 mike single track road, most have only ever experienced a dual carriageway, they don’t make use of the local pub or shops, park in passing places and driveways, a tourist tax of £20 per head may provide the facilities necessary to accommodate the sudden increase in visitor numbers</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38170</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 10:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38167&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Better sharpen the bayonets, or is prepping a minefield more appropriate ? Barbed wire and razor wire is good stuff for boxing them into a channel ! Could even sell tickets to natives for such an event, nothing like a bit of participation sport.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38167">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Better sharpen the bayonets, or is prepping a minefield more appropriate ? Barbed wire and razor wire is good stuff for boxing them into a channel ! Could even sell tickets to natives for such an event, nothing like a bit of participation sport.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brychan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Aug 2020 06:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38166&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Adavance Warning. 

There’s a company from London that’s been organising ‘Cook Outs’. Their MO is to sell tickets for around £30 to fill coaches with large groups and transport them to “secret” seaside locations where they lay on a ‘Jamaican Barbeque Rave’.

Here’s one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XonheYtwtA[removetoplay]

The company that organises these events is Flavour Boss Limited (12337291) run by Orette Williams of Flat 31, Allingham House, Allingham Road, London, SW48EG. 

She also has set up a company called Williams and Sons Cars Ltd that hires coaches to run to these events and rents fleets of cars to participants. So far only locations on the south coast of England have been hit, but due to police interventions there, it’s likely they will now try pop-up venues in Wales.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38166">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Adavance Warning. </p>
<p>There’s a company from London that’s been organising ‘Cook Outs’. Their MO is to sell tickets for around £30 to fill coaches with large groups and transport them to “secret” seaside locations where they lay on a ‘Jamaican Barbeque Rave’.</p>
<p>Here’s one.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XonheYtwtA%5Bremovetoplay%5D" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XonheYtwtA%5Bremovetoplay%5D</a></p>
<p>The company that organises these events is Flavour Boss Limited (12337291) run by Orette Williams of Flat 31, Allingham House, Allingham Road, London, SW48EG. </p>
<p>She also has set up a company called Williams and Sons Cars Ltd that hires coaches to run to these events and rents fleets of cars to participants. So far only locations on the south coast of England have been hit, but due to police interventions there, it’s likely they will now try pop-up venues in Wales.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38166</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 12:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38165&quot;&gt;Dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

The &#039;negative attitude&#039; Jim Jones complains of is due to Welsh communities being overwhelmed by &lt;em&gt;too many&lt;/em&gt; badly-behaved and irresponsible tourists. He&#039;s got it arse-backwards. And not for the first time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38165">Dafis</a>.</p>
<p>The &#8216;negative attitude&#8217; Jim Jones complains of is due to Welsh communities being overwhelmed by <em>too many</em> badly-behaved and irresponsible tourists. He&#8217;s got it arse-backwards. And not for the first time.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 11:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38164&quot;&gt;Dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

... and here&#039;s another twat who can&#039;t see further than lining his own pockets. According to a nation.cymru report : 

&quot;Negative messages in the press and on social media about tourists and second home owners are holding Wales’ economic recovery back, according to a tourism boss.&quot;

&quot;Jim Jones, chief executive of North Wales Tourism, said some press and social media commentary was becoming a problem for the tourism sector. as it attempted to get back on its feet after Covid-19.&quot; 

Well Jim boy you better get off your arse and start cleaning up after those dirty fuckers you so keen to welcome. Try picking up litter and turds out of people&#039;s private property. If you feel so good about these visitors try educating the slobs to use bins for litter and loos for doing their business. Simple really but they seem to have left all that basic knowledge at home, if they ever had any.]]></description>
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<p>&#8230; and here&#8217;s another twat who can&#8217;t see further than lining his own pockets. According to a nation.cymru report : </p>
<p>&#8220;Negative messages in the press and on social media about tourists and second home owners are holding Wales’ economic recovery back, according to a tourism boss.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Jim Jones, chief executive of North Wales Tourism, said some press and social media commentary was becoming a problem for the tourism sector. as it attempted to get back on its feet after Covid-19.&#8221; </p>
<p>Well Jim boy you better get off your arse and start cleaning up after those dirty fuckers you so keen to welcome. Try picking up litter and turds out of people&#8217;s private property. If you feel so good about these visitors try educating the slobs to use bins for litter and loos for doing their business. Simple really but they seem to have left all that basic knowledge at home, if they ever had any.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 08:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Saw a plump geezer with a rapidly developing lobster-like appearance yesterday afternoon busy shoving bags full of litter, generated by his family,into a smallish dogshit bin ( purpose easily understood ?). Mentioned that it might be better if he put his waste in his vehicle to take home or find a more appropriate rubbish bin. Tirade of abuse about being hostile unwelcoming etc etc. Rather upset him by confirming that he was correct - I am a hostile unwelcoming rude bastard particularly to those who behave as though they own the fuckin&#039; place,have little or no regard for others and do not display some evidence of having basic common sense. Tourism, whether the visitor comes from near or afar, brings out a high proportion of wankers and slobs. Rant over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw a plump geezer with a rapidly developing lobster-like appearance yesterday afternoon busy shoving bags full of litter, generated by his family,into a smallish dogshit bin ( purpose easily understood ?). Mentioned that it might be better if he put his waste in his vehicle to take home or find a more appropriate rubbish bin. Tirade of abuse about being hostile unwelcoming etc etc. Rather upset him by confirming that he was correct &#8211; I am a hostile unwelcoming rude bastard particularly to those who behave as though they own the fuckin&#8217; place,have little or no regard for others and do not display some evidence of having basic common sense. Tourism, whether the visitor comes from near or afar, brings out a high proportion of wankers and slobs. Rant over.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2020 06:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38161&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

I see that London Weekend Television who run the franchise for “Im a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here” is going to re-locate from Australia to Castell Gwrych near Abergele, a kind of ‘Brits abroad’ trash programme. Of course this is not the first time that this mock Georgian castle has been used to house an escaping community. In 1940 Castell Gwrych was used to house fleeing Jews from the Nazis, these being refugees of the Kindertransport. Perhaps they are going to dress contestants in stripy uniforms and feed them bread while watching over them from the towers. As it’s in Wales they have overlooked the history of the area, but the BBC is over it like a rash. This morning they got a ‘beachcraft and survival tutor’ onto Radio Wales to tell us about eating ants and cold showers.  I question if the producers of this trash have considered carefully the location.  Is the Welsh Government going to give them a grant as to boost tourism?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/tourism-in-wales-problems-thoughts-suggestions/#comment-38161">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>I see that London Weekend Television who run the franchise for “Im a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here” is going to re-locate from Australia to Castell Gwrych near Abergele, a kind of ‘Brits abroad’ trash programme. Of course this is not the first time that this mock Georgian castle has been used to house an escaping community. In 1940 Castell Gwrych was used to house fleeing Jews from the Nazis, these being refugees of the Kindertransport. Perhaps they are going to dress contestants in stripy uniforms and feed them bread while watching over them from the towers. As it’s in Wales they have overlooked the history of the area, but the BBC is over it like a rash. This morning they got a ‘beachcraft and survival tutor’ onto Radio Wales to tell us about eating ants and cold showers.  I question if the producers of this trash have considered carefully the location.  Is the Welsh Government going to give them a grant as to boost tourism?</p>
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