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		By: Elfo		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-33062</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2019 23:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23561&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

bit late to the party here but well said!]]></description>
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<p>bit late to the party here but well said!</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23624</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23623&quot;&gt;Pat&lt;/a&gt;.

Doesn&#039;t Gerwyns Llandeilo (Bridge Street) have a &#039;lock up&#039; on Station Road? It&#039;s where the vans are parked and loading. I&#039;ll ask next time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23623">Pat</a>.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t Gerwyns Llandeilo (Bridge Street) have a &#8216;lock up&#8217; on Station Road? It&#8217;s where the vans are parked and loading. I&#8217;ll ask next time.</p>
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		By: Pat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23621&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

There is no locally owned fruit and veg distribution business opposite the &#039;hub&#039; at Llandeilo station.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23621">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>There is no locally owned fruit and veg distribution business opposite the &#8216;hub&#8217; at Llandeilo station.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 08:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23607&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Correction - It is David Thorpe who is the man who thinks that covering the Welsh countryside with polytunnels. He&#039;s the publicity officer for &#039;Transition Towns Llandeilo&#039;. After arriving in Wales, he moved from Machynlleth to Llandybie. 

http://transitiontywitrawsnewid.org.uk/

This is him.
http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/King-Mob-David-Thorpe.png
and his wife.
http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/catwoman-helen-adam.png
Helen Adam.

Their &#039;steering group minutes state &quot;Upsetting the politics of local shops was a caution mentioned by Fishguard&quot;. This is a reference to a project at Abergwaun.

Yes. This was where they established a cafe with a £60k grant from the Welsh Government, in direct competition with established local cafes putting them out of business with Welsh people loosing their jobs.

Incidently, the Llandeilo &#039;food hub&#039; is directly opposite an existing locally owned fruit and veg distrubution business at the railway station.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23607">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Correction &#8211; It is David Thorpe who is the man who thinks that covering the Welsh countryside with polytunnels. He&#8217;s the publicity officer for &#8216;Transition Towns Llandeilo&#8217;. After arriving in Wales, he moved from Machynlleth to Llandybie. </p>
<p><a href="http://transitiontywitrawsnewid.org.uk/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://transitiontywitrawsnewid.org.uk/</a></p>
<p>This is him.<br />
<a href="http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/King-Mob-David-Thorpe.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/King-Mob-David-Thorpe.png</a><br />
and his wife.<br />
<a href="http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/catwoman-helen-adam.png" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.davidthorpe.info/im/catwoman-helen-adam.png</a><br />
Helen Adam.</p>
<p>Their &#8216;steering group minutes state &#8220;Upsetting the politics of local shops was a caution mentioned by Fishguard&#8221;. This is a reference to a project at Abergwaun.</p>
<p>Yes. This was where they established a cafe with a £60k grant from the Welsh Government, in direct competition with established local cafes putting them out of business with Welsh people loosing their jobs.</p>
<p>Incidently, the Llandeilo &#8216;food hub&#8217; is directly opposite an existing locally owned fruit and veg distrubution business at the railway station.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2016 14:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23488&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Update on bio-security :- I took a peek on what’s gone on, and besides a dead badger on the entrance lane by the bridge which appears to be (road kill?) from the contractors rebuilding a culvert, I actually think ‘Red Pig Farm’ may be used as a mechanism to release wild boar into Wales at the western end of the national park. The previous encampment of Scrivens and Tommerup in the Forest of Dean was used by ‘animal rights activists’ to frustrate the wild boar cull in Gloucestershire. To keep wild boar it is necessary to hold a licence under the Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976, and the holder of this license has a duty to keep the boar and any offspring from entering into the natural environment. It’s a criminal offence to do so. Also, to capture a specimen from Gloucestershire and transport it to Carmarthenshire is also an offence under the Sec9 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. It appears strange for two dedicated vegetarians to name their new plot after pigs, and it’s only the wild boar that does boast the distinctive red stripes. I shall pay another visit to the plot soon, this time taking photo’s of what I have uncovered. I’m also under the impression that planning permission is needed for poly-tunnels inside the national park but not sure about the size rules. Planning was refused (applicant - Mr Singleton) for his previous application inside the Dinefwr estate, which was also destined to supply the ‘food hub’ at Llandeilo train station. Incidentally, this new ‘mock railway wagon’ structure is actually on land owned by Network Rail, and the security/anti-trespass fencing modified to accommodate it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23488">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Update on bio-security :- I took a peek on what’s gone on, and besides a dead badger on the entrance lane by the bridge which appears to be (road kill?) from the contractors rebuilding a culvert, I actually think ‘Red Pig Farm’ may be used as a mechanism to release wild boar into Wales at the western end of the national park. The previous encampment of Scrivens and Tommerup in the Forest of Dean was used by ‘animal rights activists’ to frustrate the wild boar cull in Gloucestershire. To keep wild boar it is necessary to hold a licence under the Dangerous Wild Animals Act 1976, and the holder of this license has a duty to keep the boar and any offspring from entering into the natural environment. It’s a criminal offence to do so. Also, to capture a specimen from Gloucestershire and transport it to Carmarthenshire is also an offence under the Sec9 of the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981. It appears strange for two dedicated vegetarians to name their new plot after pigs, and it’s only the wild boar that does boast the distinctive red stripes. I shall pay another visit to the plot soon, this time taking photo’s of what I have uncovered. I’m also under the impression that planning permission is needed for poly-tunnels inside the national park but not sure about the size rules. Planning was refused (applicant &#8211; Mr Singleton) for his previous application inside the Dinefwr estate, which was also destined to supply the ‘food hub’ at Llandeilo train station. Incidentally, this new ‘mock railway wagon’ structure is actually on land owned by Network Rail, and the security/anti-trespass fencing modified to accommodate it.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 13:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23582&quot;&gt;Myfanwy&lt;/a&gt;.

The problem here is that the decision of those democratically elected by the residents of the area will always be objected to by council planning officers and, if it goes to appeal, overruled by the English Planning Inspectorate, enforcing the insane legislation enacted by the &#039;Welsh&#039; Government that favours these envirofascist invaders.

Which means that whatever a planning committee might decide will only ever be a delaying action, thanks to the &#039;Welsh&#039; Government.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23582">Myfanwy</a>.</p>
<p>The problem here is that the decision of those democratically elected by the residents of the area will always be objected to by council planning officers and, if it goes to appeal, overruled by the English Planning Inspectorate, enforcing the insane legislation enacted by the &#8216;Welsh&#8217; Government that favours these envirofascist invaders.</p>
<p>Which means that whatever a planning committee might decide will only ever be a delaying action, thanks to the &#8216;Welsh&#8217; Government.</p>
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		By: Myfanwy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 11:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23582&quot;&gt;Myfanwy&lt;/a&gt;.

Sorry, Carmarthenshire, Sir Gâr!]]></description>
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<p>Sorry, Carmarthenshire, Sir Gâr!</p>
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		By: Myfanwy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2016 08:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I did some reading around the subject of One Planet and regarding some of the planning applications, that have been passed and are currently being considered. What comes across is a strong sense of entitlement and arrogance, of some of the people involved.  In particular, this person describing his experience of the planning process for an OPD application in Camarthenshire.

http://www.lowimpact.org/one-planet-development-arrested-my-attempts-to-build-a-home-on-a-smallholding-in-wales/

Naturally, he came up against opposition from local residents and a Councillor, who were not happy about the proposed developments, so the application was rejected.  Rather than try to understand the perspective of the local residents, the applicant, arrogantly stated on his blog that, &quot;I think we will win at appeal, I don&#039;t intend to take victory graciously or to be nice to the people&quot; who apparently put him through &quot;stress&quot; and most outrageously of all he states &quot;I wouldn&#039;t piss on these people if they were on fire&quot;.  Charming, so this is what he thinks of some of the Welsh people he is foisting himself on, not surprising they don&#039;t want him living near them!

Then, quite livid by his attitude, I read the comments section.  Plenty of comments from members of the same ilk, applauding his determination etc and other hippie matters, but only one Welsh person, Alun picking him up on what he said and very patiently and competently, trying to describe the Welsh position with regards to culture, language and the migration of people.  He was lampooned for his efforts as a &quot;nazi, a bigot, racist and xenophobic&quot;, sound familiar? That is what the Welsh are up against everytime they try to stop the destruction of their Culture.

It is understandable that local people will wonder, how these applicants, can afford to rent locally, with no jobs, buy a piece of land and support themselves through the whole planning, building, living, providing for children process.  As Jac mentioned, how many of these people are already from wealthy middle class families, who possibly went to public school and have always done, just what they wanted to do, without thinking too much about other people, unless it&#039;s about being hip about the environment or about refugees in another part of the World.  

This would explain the sense of arrogance and entitlement that comes across, who actually is paying for their lifestyle, it&#039;s enevitable they will annoy many of their new neighbours, who they are imposing themselves upon.  There is a kind of propoganda that goes with this, now very well organized, middle class, movement, which has been legitimised and supported by the Welsh Government and various funding bodies.  They make a point of saying that they are learning to speak Cymraeg and that they are integrating with their communities, but the attitude of many, such as the man from lowimpact.org, show that in reality it is only lip service and that in reality, they will socialise in their own communes and festivals etc and once they have got their planning, they will not have to show any genuine, respect for Welsh people and Culture.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did some reading around the subject of One Planet and regarding some of the planning applications, that have been passed and are currently being considered. What comes across is a strong sense of entitlement and arrogance, of some of the people involved.  In particular, this person describing his experience of the planning process for an OPD application in Camarthenshire.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.lowimpact.org/one-planet-development-arrested-my-attempts-to-build-a-home-on-a-smallholding-in-wales/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.lowimpact.org/one-planet-development-arrested-my-attempts-to-build-a-home-on-a-smallholding-in-wales/</a></p>
<p>Naturally, he came up against opposition from local residents and a Councillor, who were not happy about the proposed developments, so the application was rejected.  Rather than try to understand the perspective of the local residents, the applicant, arrogantly stated on his blog that, &#8220;I think we will win at appeal, I don&#8217;t intend to take victory graciously or to be nice to the people&#8221; who apparently put him through &#8220;stress&#8221; and most outrageously of all he states &#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t piss on these people if they were on fire&#8221;.  Charming, so this is what he thinks of some of the Welsh people he is foisting himself on, not surprising they don&#8217;t want him living near them!</p>
<p>Then, quite livid by his attitude, I read the comments section.  Plenty of comments from members of the same ilk, applauding his determination etc and other hippie matters, but only one Welsh person, Alun picking him up on what he said and very patiently and competently, trying to describe the Welsh position with regards to culture, language and the migration of people.  He was lampooned for his efforts as a &#8220;nazi, a bigot, racist and xenophobic&#8221;, sound familiar? That is what the Welsh are up against everytime they try to stop the destruction of their Culture.</p>
<p>It is understandable that local people will wonder, how these applicants, can afford to rent locally, with no jobs, buy a piece of land and support themselves through the whole planning, building, living, providing for children process.  As Jac mentioned, how many of these people are already from wealthy middle class families, who possibly went to public school and have always done, just what they wanted to do, without thinking too much about other people, unless it&#8217;s about being hip about the environment or about refugees in another part of the World.  </p>
<p>This would explain the sense of arrogance and entitlement that comes across, who actually is paying for their lifestyle, it&#8217;s enevitable they will annoy many of their new neighbours, who they are imposing themselves upon.  There is a kind of propoganda that goes with this, now very well organized, middle class, movement, which has been legitimised and supported by the Welsh Government and various funding bodies.  They make a point of saying that they are learning to speak Cymraeg and that they are integrating with their communities, but the attitude of many, such as the man from lowimpact.org, show that in reality it is only lip service and that in reality, they will socialise in their own communes and festivals etc and once they have got their planning, they will not have to show any genuine, respect for Welsh people and Culture.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2016 13:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Best laugh I had, as a former Welsh Assembly employee, was around 2006/7 when Carwyn was Environment Minister, Wound up by Jane Davidson and certain eco-loony civil servants, Carwyn was pursuaded to make an announcement that &quot;Wales would be Carbon Neutral by the year 2011&quot; . Unfortunately, as he stood a the podium delivering this pronouncement, he lost his place in the (civil servant written) papers he had in front of him. Panicking, he blurted out that &quot;Wales would be Zero Carbon by 2011.&quot;. Even the eco-loonies were aghast, and after the meeting, tried to pursuade Carwyn to retract the (undeliverable) promise. &quot;No&quot; said Carwyn, &quot;if I retract that wording, the media will have a field day&quot;. However, after 5 years of inaction on climate change by WAG/Welsh Government, so it was that &quot;Zero Carbon Wales&quot; was quietly deposited in the dustbin of history. 
Like many senior civil servant colleagues, I always regarded Carwyn as a hedgehog on top of a gatepost. You knew what it was, but you could never fathom how it got there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best laugh I had, as a former Welsh Assembly employee, was around 2006/7 when Carwyn was Environment Minister, Wound up by Jane Davidson and certain eco-loony civil servants, Carwyn was pursuaded to make an announcement that &#8220;Wales would be Carbon Neutral by the year 2011&#8221; . Unfortunately, as he stood a the podium delivering this pronouncement, he lost his place in the (civil servant written) papers he had in front of him. Panicking, he blurted out that &#8220;Wales would be Zero Carbon by 2011.&#8221;. Even the eco-loonies were aghast, and after the meeting, tried to pursuade Carwyn to retract the (undeliverable) promise. &#8220;No&#8221; said Carwyn, &#8220;if I retract that wording, the media will have a field day&#8221;. However, after 5 years of inaction on climate change by WAG/Welsh Government, so it was that &#8220;Zero Carbon Wales&#8221; was quietly deposited in the dustbin of history.<br />
Like many senior civil servant colleagues, I always regarded Carwyn as a hedgehog on top of a gatepost. You knew what it was, but you could never fathom how it got there.</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2016 20:15:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-green-smokescreen/#comment-23560&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

I couldn&#039;t agree more Jac. It IS selfishness and it has far reaching nasty consequences for all concerned - including us -  and THEIR poor children. You can&#039;t blame the kids. But there again it&#039;s the classic example of the types that get tempted to move here, for all the wrong reasons.]]></description>
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<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more Jac. It IS selfishness and it has far reaching nasty consequences for all concerned &#8211; including us &#8211;  and THEIR poor children. You can&#8217;t blame the kids. But there again it&#8217;s the classic example of the types that get tempted to move here, for all the wrong reasons.</p>
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