Comments on: The End of Britishness https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/ Wales through the eyes of a cynical patriot Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:27:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: trampie https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-6561 Sat, 25 Oct 2014 12:27:03 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-6561 Britishness as we know it now is a made up entity used to placate the locals back in the day, Romans as well as the Germanic tribes used this tactic.
Certain imperialists try to keep order by fostering an environment of we are all the same, we are all in it together, they will even hold up a native hero as their own, King Arthur being a prime example.

]]> By: Jac https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-5165 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 18:56:19 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-5165 In reply to Marconatrix.

Perhaps the telling difference is that the city and surrounding areas making up Greater Glasgow voted Yes in the referendum which, effectively, means they voted SNP. In population terms, social / industrial background, and political history west central Scotland is the population equivalent of Swansea Bay and the Valleys in Wales. By comparison, Plaid Cymru’s vote is weakening in its heartlands due to colonisation and the realisation on the part of its former supporters that it’s talked the talk for almost 90 years but been unable to walk the walk. There’s now more chance of Ukip ousting Labour from the Valleys and Swansea Bay than there is of Plaid Cymru making inroads.

]]> By: Marconatrix https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-5164 Mon, 06 Oct 2014 16:52:30 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-5164 Phenomenal growth in SNP membership since the referendum, x3+ and continuing. Plaid eat your heart out!

]]> By: treforus https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-5081 Sat, 04 Oct 2014 08:01:21 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-5081 In reply to Jac.

I think it was a great-grandfather who went to England having fought with the Tudors at Bosworth and prospered thereafter. Cromwell made no great declaration of Welsh descent other than on his coat of arms (strikingly Welsh) but accepted it and played on it when dealing with Welsh politicians (some things never change). One of his sons reverted to Williams after the restoration as the name of Cromwell had become notorious.

]]> By: Jac https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-5058 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 19:31:01 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-5058 In reply to treforus.

I had some vague knowledge that Cromwell’s original family name had been Williams, but not the exact origin. What took his grandfather to England?

]]> By: treforus https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-5053 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 18:29:51 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-5053 I’m late to this thread having been away but when I see a reference to a Williams at from Aberpergwm I wonder whether we’re dealing with a member of the family of the “Greatest Englishman”, Oliver Cromwell, whose father was a descendant of a younger son of the Williams family of Aberpergwm House and whose grandfather changed his surname from Williams to Cromwell because of his wife’s kin to Thomas Cromwell. Few people now seem to know of Cromwell’s Neath connection .The house was destroyed by fire many years ago whilst owned by the Coal Board but the Williams family still exist.

]]> By: Jac https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-4660 Thu, 18 Sep 2014 10:43:23 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-4660 In reply to Bill Chapman.

You may be missing the point in that the greatest rejection of Britishness may be happening in England. And I don’t understand how you can possibly argue that there’s no great enthusiasm for change in Scotland when polls are showing almost half of those polled wanting independence and many of the others wanting greater devolution. Only a minority is opposed to any further constitutional change.

]]> By: Bill Chapman https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-4656 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:38:35 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-4656 I’m afraid that this is not what you want to hear, Jac, but I don’t see any sign of an end to Britishness. I do foresee decades of debate over the Barnett formula and the Westlothian Question. I don’t detect any great enthusiasm for change in Scotland. Indeed the rush to register to vote may be connected to that lack of desire for change, but perhaps you’re in a better position than me to judge.

]]> By: Cymro Wladfa https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-4655 Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:52:25 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-4655 In reply to Alwyn ap Huw.

Alwyn, this is the poll I was refering to:

http://www.itv.com/news/wales/update/2014-09-15/new-poll-shows-wales-strongly-against-scottish-independence/

but another made by Daily Wales is still more optimistic:

http://dailywales.net/2014/09/16/new-poll-puts-support-for-welsh-independence-at-28/

]]> By: Carnabwth https://jacothenorth.net/blog/the-end-of-britishness/#comment-4636 Tue, 16 Sep 2014 17:44:21 +0000 http://jacothenorth.net/blog/?p=8475#comment-4636 How about this:

http://dailywales.net/2014/09/16/new-poll-puts-support-for-welsh-independence-at-28/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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