@ BigGee
Believe me I know these kinds of people, the ´victims´ that is, I´m not saying that a good few of the ´gurus´ aren´t out and out con artists.

But for the rest, very sadly many are pleasant, kind and often very intelligent folk. That´s all part of the tragedy really. I remember one lady who´d spent years of her life and God knows how much cash to acquire some mickey-mouse ´qualifications´ in one of these quackeries. She then of course must go off and (no doubt in perfect good faith) peddle her wares to others. So it´s all a bit like a pyramid scheme (ponzi scheme).

What´s at the root of this is many folk distrust ¨the Establishment¨ whether that´s politicians or the Royal College of this or that. Can you blame them?

Speaking of religion, someone said that when people lose faith in the established churches they don´t believe in nothing … instead they´ll believe in anything. And that´s clearly just as true for medicine.

Heck, should draw the White Settler population from miles around! 😛

As usual, when all else fails resort to the tried and tested ‘ridicule’ tool.

A bit pathetic really – narrow minded, brain-washed, blind automatons. It is well documented, history has always embarrassed such ones when the masses wake up to the reality.

If we still lived in the 6th century BC you’d also be ridiculing the theory that the world is round!

GOD! Blind stubborn ignorance – it winds me up so much . . . .

“Is there a message here for them from both sides of the Atlantic?” Definitely. A good article that.

I imagine by now the whole list has been invited to to a big ´do´ up at Ystrad Fflur, where for a not inconsiderable fee, they´ll to a man (or woman) swear out testimonials to the healing qualities of the holy wells, natural river water, rock chrystals, mystick mysts etc. ad nausium. Then they´ll need crash barriers to hold back the gull… err… ´faithful´. Should sort out the financial problems in no time. It´s a miracle!!

Rest assured I shall check these out… Or at least a goodly proportion of them, and then write a response, which, as it will be at length, will not appear here, but on my own (very) occasional blog – I will put a link it here though.

However, I can state, after some cursory surfing, that it isn’t looking too good at the moment, as I’m finding that many of those listed are, variously, chiropractors, (and therefore not qualified to practice medicine) had their licences to practice revoked, or indeed pretty much nutjobs, (but not of the Bible thumping variety). It wouldn’t be so bad, but I’ve only so far randomly looked at four or five names on that list.

A final thought, that some of them appear to at least have some formal qualifications doesn’t mean that they don’t spout complete nonsense, as I’m sure you fully realise. I am very capable of doing just that too, as are you.

It’s also just struck me as a little strange that their qualifications have quite often been listed twice, as many of them have a prefix of ‘Dr’ to their names, and also the letters after their names, such as M.D. or Ph.D – making the ‘Dr’ superfluous, unless that somehow makes them doubly qualified of course?

Isn’t this also applicable to Plaid veering from it’s true purpose? ie a nationalist party. The Labour party is paying a price from abandoning their core supporters. With Clubb’s appointment in Plaid, I see which way they are continuing along. Is there a message here for them from both sides of the Atlantic?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/aug/21/death-of-neoliberalism-crisis-in-western-politics?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Tweet

Before completely stepping back from this debate about cancer treatment and charity involvement ‘sibrydionmawr’, I felt obliged to post this list of medical professionals who support and endorse Ty Bollinger’s work (many give interviews in the video I asked you to watch, but sadly, you couldn’t be bothered to watch it through to the end).

If you think it’s ‘made up’ I can also provide you with photographs and links to their individual web publications. Some are leading oncologists. ALL of them are working hard to expose the truth about the big pharma money making scam, that’s fuelled by an ill educated and ill informed army of doctors that prescribe ‘conventional’ drugs for cancer treatments and an industry that’s also fed by ill informed collectors of money in the name of well meaning charities.

Dr. Matthias Rath, M.D.
Dr. Josh Axe, D.N.M., D.C., C.N.S.
Dr. Russell Blaylock, M.D.
Dr. Joseph Mercola, D.O.
Dr. Jonathan V. Wright, M.D.
Dr. Véronique Desaulniers
Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, M.D., Ph.D
Dr. Leigh Erin Connealy, M.D.
Dr. Patrick Quillin, PhD, RD, CNS
Dr. Roby Mitchell, M.D.
Dr. Francisco Contreras, M.D.
Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, D.O.
Dr. Edward F. Group III, DC, NP, DACBN, DCBCN, DABFM
Dr. Tullio Simoncini, M.D., Ph.D
Dr. Ben Johnson, M.D., N.M.D., D.O.
Dr. Joel Wallach, D.V.M., N.D.
Dr. Bita Badakhshan, M.D.
Dr. Boris Grinblat, M.D.
Dr. Elias Gutierrez, M.D.
Dr. Sunil Pai, M.D.
Dr. James Forsythe, M.D.
Dr. Robert Scott Bell
Dr. David Jockers
(the late) Dr. Nicholas Gonzalez, M.D.
Dr. Rashid Buttar
Dr. Linda Isaacs, M.D.
Dr. Keith Scott Mumby, M.D., PhD
Dr. Darrell Wolfe, Ac. PhD
Dr. Daniel Nuzum, D.O., N.M.D.
Dr. Murray “Buzz” Susser, M.D.
Dr. Tony Jimenez, M.D.
Dr. Irvin Sahni, M.D.
Dr. Robert Verkerk, Ph.D
Dr. Galina Migalko, M.D., N.M.D.
Dr. Bradford S. Weeks, M.D.
Dr. Patrick Vickers
Dr. Eric Zielinksi, D.C.
Dr. Gaston Cornu-Labat, M.D.
Dr. Gosia Kuszewski, N.D.
Dr. Henk Fransen, Ph.D
Dr. Hyla Cass, M.D.
Dr. Irina Kossovskaia, M.D., Ph.D, N.M.D.
Dr. Ivars Kalvins, Ph.D
Dr. John Consemulder
Dr. Jolly-Gabriel, Ph.D
Dr. Marcel Wolfe, W.L.Ed.
Dr. Martin Bales, L.Ac., D.A.O.M.
Dr. Peteris Alberts, M.D., Ph.D
Dr. Steven Klayman, D.C.
Dr. Subrata Chakravarty, Ph.D.
Dr. Suzanne Kim, M.D.
Dr. Terry Harmon, D.C.
Dr. Thomas Lokensgard, D.D.S., N.M.D.
Dr. Xavier Curiel, M.D.
Dr. Robert Gorter, M.D., Ph.D
Dr. Igor Smirnov, Ph.D
Dr. Raymond Hilu, M.D.
Dr. Howard Fisher, D.C.
Dr. Manuela Malaguti-Boyle, Ph.D, N.D.
Dr. Kaspars Losans, M.D.
Dr. Aleksandra Niedzwiecki, Ph.D
Dr. Garry F. Gordon, M.D., D.O.
Dr. Nalini Chilkov, L.Ac., O.M.D.

I hope you’re not going to be narrow minded enough to suggest that all the above are ‘bible thumping nutjobs’ as well.

I viewed that particular ‘evidence’ the last time you linked to it, and I’m still not convinced, but that should come as no surprise. ‘He would say that, wouldn’t he’. I would need to have access to a lot more reliable, independent evidence contrary to what I believe.

Wikipedia is a good place to start, and I did just that. I am often sceptical of Wikipedia, but the fact is it is a medium that anyone can sign up to and edit, should they disagree with an interpretation, or wish to challenge an author’s standpoint, or to merely correct a falsehood, or challenge a fact. Therefore there is a highly likely that at least the facts are correct, even if the interpretation is disputed.

By any account, Icke is a wealthy man, his booksales in the English language alone would make him so, as he self-publishes, (because no reputable publisher would?) and therefore cuts out an expensive middle-man.

I’m sure there are thousands of ‘true believers’ who will accept his version of events, and whilst it may well be very true that he doesn’t spend much on himself in the way of an extravagant lifestyle, or flash cars, this does not mean that he doesn’t have the wealth to do just that.

There are also some quite worrying claims made about Icke’s belief system in the Wikipedia article, and I shall be following up on those, particularly his alleged associations with the far right, and his alleged anti-semitism. It’s also quite worrying he bases his beliefs at least partially on a document that has been known as being a forgery, ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’, which is particularly anti-semitic, and has been used as evidence of a ‘Jewish’ or ‘Zionist’ conspiracy since it was first published in the early part of the 20th Century. The only conspiracy was that by the original authors, and the many who have subsequently used it as a basis to peddle an agenda that has some pretty murky undertones. Admittedly the ‘Zionist’ state of Israel has quite a lot to answer for, but so has any other state, and if there was one, a Welsh state would be in that category too. Much, if not most anti-Zionism is a convenient euphemism for anti-Semitism.

I’m not for a moment suggesting that you subscribe to anything anti-Semitic personally, as you take pains to distance yourself from that kind of stuff, but that increasingly leaves me wondering about your constant defence, and apparent allegiance to individuals such as Icke.

As far as Ty Bollinger is concerned, nothing so far has convinced me that he is anything other than a very dangerous charlatan who preys on the gullible during the week, and to God on Sundays, much like many of the religious charlatans that infested Wales in past times. The more I read, the more I am convinced that it’s only a matter of time before he finds himself behind bars after someone calls him out over his quackery. Were that he was running his website in the UK he would quite possibly find himself subject to prosecution under the Cancer Act of 1939. The only people who have anything positive to say about him are true believers, and they aren’t going to be the most reliable of people, as they probably also believe the crap spouted by Icke.

In a way it’s quite paradoxical that you should be such a fan of Icke, given his peddling of a New Age belief system, in that you so often rail against those of that ilk who come to settle in Wales. What is it you call them? Oh yes, “English oddballs, social misfits and dropouts” *. Many of them also probably believe in some kind of conspiracy theory. I should perhaps explain here that I am very familiar with the New Age community that started to arrive in Wales from the mid 70s onwards, and increasing in volume in the further the 80s progressed, so I need no introduction. I no longer live in the Sir Gâr/Ceredigion area, and though I periodically consider moving back, (as I have extensive family connections there) I refrain from doing so as the area is now so Anglicised.

At least we agree on one thing, it is pointless to further discuss this subject, as we have both made our minds up – but I think we both knew this anyway.

*For information purposes, I do not quote you for any other reason than to illustrate my point. My personal opinion is that, whilst I don’t agree with their lifestyle, I don’t actually care about their presence in Wales, so long as they respect the genus loci, (which, paradoxically to many of their beliefs, doesn’t seem to stretch to both respecting that a different language is the main medium of discourse in their favoured settlement areas, and that they should learn it as quickly as possible, and use it)

‘Anonymous’ will not be contributing any more. That he should come here, naming and locating those he disagrees with while he himself remains nameless will no longer be tolerated.