Swansea Disloyals

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This post is a bit out of the ordinary, and rather personal. I felt it needed to be written as a response to those using the behaviour of a tiny minority to smear the reputation of my home city and its people. Also, in the hope of explaining why we have this minority.

NEVER JUST A GAME

A week yesterday, Swansea City hosted Cardiff City at the Liberty Stadium and beat the visitors 1 – 0. But the game itself was almost overshadowed by a few unsavoury postings on social media and incidents in the real world.

One widely reported posting concerned a ‘boarding pass’ for Emiliano Sala, the Argentine player Cardiff signed from Nantes, who was killed when the aircraft in which he was a passenger went down near the Channel Islands in January. (Available here if you want to see it.)

There was also criticism from certain quarters about union flags being flown by some Swans supporters – and their support for Glasgow Rangers and Ulster Loyalists – to imply that Swansea is a bastion of far right Unionism.

These were opposite the Railway Inn on Siloh Road, Landore, near to the Liberty Stadium. The use of a Union flag is a giveaway. Click to enlarge.

Passions are always high around these derby games, but many think that things have got worse in recent years. Which would be strange, for – isolated incidents of racism aside – football seems to be moving in the opposite direction, certainly with fewer cases of violence between rival groups of supporters.

So why is the rivalry getting more bitter and why have we seem a move to the Unionist far right from certain Swansea fans? The two phenomena are linked, as I’ll explain.

MEMORY LANE

As stated, there has always been rivalry between the fans of the Swans and the Bluebirds. I speak as an old North Banker from the ’60s, when the old Vetch Field occasionally saw bigger crowds than the Liberty Stadium can hold today. A loyal supporter who was at Anfield for the 1964 FA Cup victory, and then suffered the disappointment of the semi-final defeat on a Villa Park quagmire.

I can still smell the cigar smoke from Christmas games and remember the crowd singing Roy Orbison’s It’s Over when the Swans went two or three goals up. (Which may not have been too often, I admit.)

But the point is, me and my mates supported the Swans and we supported Wales, and that was it. It was football pure and simple, no politics, no divided loyalties, no foreign causes.

In the days of which I speak there was a certain confidence to be found in Swansea, a belief that our town was every bit as good as Cardiff or anywhere else. Cardiff’s ‘capital’ status meant little. There were plenty of good jobs and you could tell the boss to do something physically impossible on a Friday afternoon and walk into another job on Monday morning.

From 1899 OS map. Though Swansea Town AFC was not formed until 1912.. Click to enlarge

It was the age of winkle-pickers or chisel toes and ‘Italian’ suits, the Mumbles Mile; while down the Vetch it was Herbie Williams, Jimmie Mac and Brian Evans. Good times.

Though I admit that in later years I often drifted to St Helens and the Whites, which was just a short walk away, but the Swans were never far from my heart. First love and all that, I suppose.

But that’s enough of Memory Lane, let me now try to explain why I believe we’ve seen the emergence of UDA supporters on the banks of the Tawe.

A CITY BETRAYED

Despite the Swans making it to the old First Division under John Toshack for a couple of seasons in the early 80s, the confidence I just mentioned seemed to evaporate as the decade wore on and a number of factors contributed to a growing feeling that Swansea was losing out to Cardiff.

I’ve mentioned St Helens, that wonderful sporting arena on the Mumbles Road; not only was it home to Swansea RFC, but also to Glamorgan County Cricket Club. In fact, it was regarded as the natural home to GCCC seeing as the western part of the county and the adjoining area of Carmarthenshire around Llanelli produced most of Glamorgan’s players. And because the wider Swansea area was the home of Welsh cricket St Helens was where the county got its biggest crowds.

Glamorgan v West Indies, August 1950, St Helens, Swansea. Click to enlarge.

And yet, in a perverse decision that somehow foretold the future, GCCC gradually moved its centre of gravity east to Sophia Gardens (now the Swalec Stadium) in Cardiff, and St Helens was allocated fewer and fewer games.

A move that went hand in hand with Welsh cricket becoming less Welsh in every way. We saw fewer Welsh players in the team and the ‘Welsh’ cricket authorities willingly sacrificed our national team in order that Cardiff could host England test matches.

Then came the devolution referendum of September 1997, in which Swansea voted for devolution yet Cardiff – despite knowing it would get the benefits – voted against. I recall watching the late Hywel Teifi Edwards (father to the BBC’s Huw) being interviewed on television as the results came in and getting very angry about it, demanding that the Assembly should now go to Swansea.

What followed convinced many Swansea people that they’d been shafted.

It was always assumed that the new Assembly would be housed in Cardiff City Hall, but a bizarre dispute blew up between Ron Davies, then Secretary of State for Wales, and Russell Goodway, leader of Cardiff council. Davies alleged that Cardiff council was asking too much for City Hall, so negotiations ended and he launched a competition to find a different home for the Assembly.

The ‘winner’ was Swansea’s Guildhall, free since the new County Hall had been built on Oystermouth Road, and available at the right price. But none of that mattered – the Assembly ended up in Cardiff Bay.

All engineered by Lord Crickhowell, of Associated British Ports, which had benefited so handsomely from the public purse via the Cardiff Bay Development Corporation that had revamped ABP-owned Cardiff docks. Edwards had hoped to top it off with a new opera house, but lost out to the Millennium Stadium.

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The Assembly would be an acceptable consolation prize (despite Edwards and his mates being opposed to devolution), especially as the new institution would be using Crickhowell House while the Assembly building was built. In fact, the self-styled ‘Welsh Government’ will be leasing Crickhowell House (or Tŷ Hywel, as it’s now called) until at least 2032.

The ‘dispute’ between Russell Goodway and Ron Davies was contrived, the ‘competition’ to find a home for the Assembly was a sham, both done to manoeuvre the Assembly down to Cardiff Bay. (All explained here in ‘Corruption Bay’, which I compiled almost 20 yeas ago.)

Swansea has been losing out ever since. A more recent example would be the decision to locate the major trauma centre for southern Wales in Cardiff, despite Swansea being geographically central, and Cardiff being so close to and already covered by the existing centres in Bristol. This decision was not made on medical or public health grounds. It will cost lives.

Now you might argue that other parts of Wales have lost out under devolution, and you’d be right. But nowhere is the sense of betrayal felt more keenly than in Swansea – because Swansea always had more to lose, and further to fall. And it hurts.

This failure of devolution has had consequences. As I shall now explain.

THE FAR RIGHT CAPITALISES

Like everywhere else, Swansea has always had a far right element. But because Cardiff fans don’t carry Union flags and a small number of Swansea fans do there is, as I said earlier, an attempt to besmirch the whole city and traduce its people.

But how did we arrive at this situation?

Two decades of non-stop investment have reconciled most Cardiffians to devolution, while the influx from the west and the north – to fill some of the many well-paid jobs created by devolution – has also helped Cymricise the city.

Swansea, on the other hand, has taken a different route.

Repeated kicks in the teeth have left almost all Swansea people feeling that their city has been betrayed and abandoned. Some Jacks have responded by rejecting not just devolution but Wales itself, and by exploiting the prevailing frustration to draw impressionable youngsters into something very ugly.

Of course, it can be argued that issues such as the tidal lagoon, or the failure to electrify the railway line, were the fault of Westminster, not the Assembly. But London has always been there, big, wealthy, dominating; whereas Cardiff’s growth in prosperity and size are seen as a direct result of devolution, and at the expense of Swansea.

Which, predictably, results in a rejection of – and often a hatred for – Cardiff.

I first became aware of the Swansea Loyals ten or more years ago, from their website, which gloried in members’ visits to Glasgow and Belfast. And while earlier manifestations of the far right in Wales had sought to incorporate Welsh symbols and identity into an essentially English or British message, what differentiated the Swansea Loyals is their focus on Scotland and Ireland.

Of course the Loyalist tradition has its roots in Ireland, and is long established in Scotland, but totally absent from Wales, which serves to reinforce Swansea Loyals’ rejection of things Welsh.

East Swansea Loyal sees the win against Cardiff as a victory over Wales! Click to enlarge.

It’s this that has angered so many on social media lately.

Maybe we need to remember that in the 1990s Cardiff was the capital of the far right in Wales, with ‘Wyn Davies’ and his Welsh Distributist Movement, the band Violent Storm and others. And who can forget footballer and Bluebirds fan Dai Thomas being arrested at Euro 2000. Was he there supporting England or just there for the violence? He was jailed a couple of years later for being a twat at a Cardiff game.

Despite Cardiff’s former pre-eminence, by the time the BNP membership list was leaked in November 2008 (Wales extract here) it was clear that Swansea had now stolen the crown 99% of the city’s population didn’t want.

Another gem in which our hero gives further proof of how uncomfortable he is in the 21st century. Note also the attempt – ‘hen’ – at Parliamo Glasgow. Click to enlarge.

So if you want to understand why a certain section of Swansea City fans wave Union flags and reject Welsh identity, why they identify with Glasgow Rangers and Loyalist paramilitaries, then the answer lies in a football rivalry being taken to another level by people of a far right political persuasion exploiting the fact that their city has been given a raw deal.

And because just about everyone in Swansea feels this way critics should be thankful that these Loyalists are so few in number. Swansea remains as Welsh as ever, but I doubt very much that the city would vote to retain this Cardiff-centric form of devolution if there was a referendum tomorrow.

THE BIGGER PICTURE

Despite their protestations of being British, to most people in Wales and England there is something rather alien and off-putting about Loyalist flute bands, Lambeg drums and Orange marches. They seem to come from another place and a different culture. Maybe even a different century.

Yet during The Troubles Loyalism began to influence the far right in England. With that influence among England football supporters made clear time after time with the chanting of ‘No Surrender to the IRA’, which bemused locals in cities unlucky enough to have them visit.

An Eve of Twelfth (of July) bonfire in East Belfast. Click to enlarge

Connections were made. And persist

The violence for which England football fans are notorious attracts the far right in Wales, and also perhaps those – like Dai Thomas – only interested in a brawl. Here’s another tweet from East Swansea Loyal, this one gleefully anticipating violence in Prague after England had lost to the Czech Republic last month.

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The link between the far right and football violence is almost inevitable given the opportunities football provides to mix with and recruit pumped up young men looking for an outlet or a focus for their aggression. Which is why the armed forces provide another fertile recruiting ground.

But what’s wrong with that, they’ll argue, for only a ‘Fenian’ or a ‘separatist’ would complain about displaying the UK flag. And why shouldn’t guys from Swansea support Glasgow Rangers? Similarly, there’s nothing wrong with going to Belfast to socialise with others who believe in the Union (The fact that the hosts have a penchant for balaclavas and baseball bats is neither here nor there.)

Another retweet from East Swansea Loyal. Click to enlarge

Swansea City is not the only football club south of the border to have a ‘Loyal’ element. In recent years they have sprung up in a number of places, and for the same reason – the far right sees Loyalism as a cloak of respectability. Wrap yourself in the flag, sing GSTQ, attach yourself to mainstream Unionism, and you can get away with a lot more than you could if you were just a bigot without a cause.

But to what are they ‘Loyal’? Essentially, a system in Ireland that saw the indigenous population dispossessed and discriminated against, with this system maintained by violence. British imperialism in a nutshell.

There’s no question that the city of Swansea has had a raw deal in recent decades; but the culprits are in London and Cardiff, so the answers won’t be found in Glasgow and Belfast. 

Which makes it a great pity that instead of fighting for their city a small number of football hooligans has decided to further damage Swansea by joining bigots promoting a discredited cause.

LOOKING AHEAD

If you watched the recent BBC series Spotlight on the Troubles: A Secret History you’ll know that during that period Loyalist paramilitaries were armed and directed by the RUC, the British army, and the intelligence services. If you didn’t watch it, then I urge you to do so, it’s an excellent series.

The Troubles may be over but the British state faces new challenges. For Brexit has unleashed a wave of English nationalism, and also a response, which combined threaten to break up the United Kingdom. So there’s a good chance that the British state will employ the far right, Loyalists and the like, in the years ahead.

It’s been done before, not just in the Six Counties but also in England, after Roberto Fiore washed up in London in 1981 and became big pals with Nick Griffin. Fiore brought with him first-hand knowledge of cooperation between extreme right wing terrorists and state intelligence services.

There will be a Scottish independence referendum next year. The greater the likelihood of the Scots voting for independence, the dirtier the state will fight. And if there’s a vote for independence then it’ll be unrestricted warfare.

Across the water, there could be a vote for reunification. Which will not be welcomed by those the Swansea Loyals admire, so how will they react? They’ll probably resort to violence and they’ll have support from the far right in Britain, but will the state help them, or have they outlived their usefulness?

And what of Wales? We see a growing appetite for independence that cannot yet reach its potential because, a) it is too closely linked with a political party that has hit its ceiling, b) it dissipates its energies on diversionary issues, and c) it deters support by being doctrinaire.

They want us to believe that it’s only about the football, but the sectarian politics always comes through. Thankfully the Twitter account is suspended. Click to enlarge

But independence is the only way forward for Wales. And if Scotland votes to leave the UK then Welsh independence will surely follow. Which might provoke more than just angry tweets from the Swansea Loyals, and graffiti around the Station Inn.

To end on a brighter note . . . when we achieve independence our ‘Loyalists’ can move to the country to which they are really loyal – England. Because principled individuals like them couldn’t possibly remain in an independent Wales, and there’ll be little welcome for them in an independent Scotland or a united Ireland either.

In the meantime, let everybody understand . . .

The ‘Swansea Loyals’ do not represent my city or my people. They are a small gang of bigots and fascists who have cloaked themselves in ‘Loyalism’, turned their backs on Wales, and should be exposed for what they are.

Wales must be united under one flag; the flag of those who are loyal to Wales, and only Wales.

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40 thoughts on “Swansea Disloyals

  1. Keith Parry

    Cilmeri. The events at the historic church and Great Stone are taking place on the 7th of December. Not the 14th.

      1. David Smith

        As Einstein said, there are only two things infinite, human stupidity and the universe, and I’m not sure about the latter (paraphrased). The fact that Orangeism, loyalism, religious fundamentalism and other such troglodyte pursuits exist in the 21st century is a well needed reminder that our species is not at all far removed from apes that throw turds at each other.

      2. Recommended by a Friend

        Well that is a great pity. But if other persons are going to turn up on the 14th there will be two Cilmeris.

  2. Ellie Wales

    There seems to be an epidemic of widespread bad behaviour and general stupidity . Is it something in the air? Last Thursday (Oct 31st) someone decided it would be great fun to superglue the doors of shops in Lampeter. It was chaos.
    Sainsbury’s was closed for over 3 hrs with staff unable to open up, and ATMs also glued so no-one could get any money, or get into places like chemists to get prescriptions. Apparently it also happened in Swansea.
    Considering both are university towns there seems to be a perverse lack of intelligence somewhere.

    1. Big Gee

      No CCTV cameras in Llambed then Ellie? Superglue always was a temptation too much for the knuckle scrapping elements in our society. Haven’t been invaded by a group of anarchists have you? It seems the target was the ‘capitalist’ type establishments in town.

  3. Dafis

    The growth of this sectarian cancer is happening to various degrees throughout Wales. I suspect that it gets encouraged by more mainstream “respectable” politicians as an agitation tactic. Perversely these “loyalists” are feeding on conditions caused by the Brit state that they wish to preserve. Apart from having the odd fit of violence, often with each other, I don’t see much else happening. Never seen any conflict with likes of Antifa who should be in there fronting up, but there again they are probably too busy harrassing patriotic ladies who don’t subscribe to the latest pseudosocialist groupthink.

    Funny old showers these various extremists. Maybe one day they’ll get round to wiping each other out.

      1. Wales is lucky in that the Irish Troubles didn’t affect us in any way. One side didn’t hold us responsible for their problems and other side didn’t see us as natural allies. To most Welsh it was something they didn’t understand and didn’t want to be involved in, which is why these ‘Loyalists’ need to be stopped from trying to embroil us in a tragedy we want no part of.

        1. David Smith

          I’ve been told by a friend in West Belfast that the local boozer flies the tricolour along with the draig goch, but no saltire (neither Saint Andrew’s nor Patrick’s). I guess there is a sense of solidarity amongst the nationalist community that for obvious reasons doesn’t extend to the ancestral homeland of their unwanted neighbours. There’s an irony there in that Scotland is as of now best positioned of all the “Celtic fringe” to give the British state the kick in the nuts so long overdue.

          1. I don’t understand it fully, either, but I am aware that the Unionist population sees its origins in Lowland, Protestant Scotland.

            Early on in the Troubles I remember the sensitivity over sending Scottish regiments to NI. And later, there was resistance to Willy Whitelaw being made SoS because of his Scottish connections.

    1. Dafis

      Swansea, North Wales indeed most of Wales has been shafted repeatedly. Even the capital city, which has “most favoured ” status among decision makers at Welsh Government and Westminster levels, has large tracts which have been left out of any policy maker’s vision unless it was to deliberately deny quality of living space, services and rewarding employment.

      Such is the plight of Wales yet our Opposition parties either adopt a posture of defending the status quo or go off pursuing peripheral “ishoos” which may be well worthy but rank low in terms of addressing the immediate fundamental needs of communities. Suddenly with a Westminster General Election looming they all come around barking about the goodies and remedies they will deliver. Fuckin’ liars and con artists the lot of them.

      1. Big Gee

        Suddenly with a Westminster General Election looming they all come around barking about the goodies and remedies they will deliver. Fuckin’ liars and con artists the lot of them.

        AMEN to that Dafis! Thankfully the public IS waking up to the stunts of the archaic ‘old brigade’ of establishment politics. “You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time – but you can’t fool all the people all of the time”.

      2. David Smith

        My argument to those who bring up Cardiff as a whataboutist tactic when I bring up the black hole that is London in sucking up investment, wealth and opportunity is simple. Travel ten miles outside Cardiff and ten miles outside London and tell me which is the greater beast, South East Wales or South East England?

        1. Dafis

          Cardiff aspires to “do a London” which is about as daft as you could ever get. As for the hinterland point I suspect that despite its avarice London probably has a stronger bond with that territory which lies 10 or even 20 miles outside the M25 than Cardiff has with its 10 mile hinterland which it has come to regard purely as feedstock on call as and when needed.

          1. The most prosperous part of the UK is ‘London and the south east’. Yes, there are pockets of deprivation, but the goodies reach a long way outside of London. Here, little gets beyond Cardiff.

            1. David Smith

              Is is simply, a different world of obscene wealth and surely unsustainable property prices. I’ve long speculated that when your cleaners, cooks, bar staff, baristas, hospital porters etc etc say sod it and fuck that to bunking down with randomers in a house share for £500 a month, or a 3 hour commute, the shit will hit the fan in that place. Especially now to think of it, come a disastrous Brexit and no cheap migrant labour to fill the void on the doorstep.

          2. David Smith

            They don’t call it the stockbroker belt for nothing. I wonder what sort of “belt” the valleys would get. Rust belt probably, or tightened belt.

            1. But it’s not just around London. Don’t forget Cheshire, and the Peak District; and many Manchester commuters live in the Lake District.

  4. Dafis

    I felt it worthwhile copying and pasting Bubble’s latest “spot the latest gaffe from Adam” contribution. Link to the original is in Jac’s tweet column.

    It reads as follows :

    This afternoon, Adam Price was on BBC News talking about his party’s election launch. In an interview, he said:

    We’ve got huge problems that we need to fix in Wales: Rising child poverty, life expectancy falling, a creaking transport infrastructure. We don’t solve them by simply putting Jeremy Corbyn or Boris Johnson into Downing Street, we solve them by having the strongest ever Welsh voice in Westminster.

    Bubble has a lesson in devolution for the leader of Plaid Cymru.

    RISING CHILD POVERTY – The Welsh Government Minister for Housing and Local Government oversees ‘coordination of measures to mitigate child poverty’.

    LIFE EXPECTANCY FALLING – Wales has its own Health Minister, who has presided over across the board failures in the provision of the Welsh NHS.

    A CREAKING TRANSPORT INFRASTRUCTURE – Wales also has its own Minister for Economy and Transport.

    So then how could these issues be solved by a bigger contingent of Plaid Cymru MPs at Westminster?

    Plaid could help to mitigate these issues by ceasing to prop up the Welsh Labour Government at key moments. They have also refused to take the opportunity to unseat the First Minister in Cardiff West.

    The boy needs to fuckin’ wake up, get his head out of his arse and just refresh his bearings on what is attributable to whom. He’s so giddy from schmoozing with those LibDems that he’s willing to bark at anyone from Westminster who isn’t LibDem ( which is a lot of people) and possibly SNP if he remembers what they stand for ! There he goes ranting when the real culprits are the shower he and his predecessor have been shoring up for years. At this rate not only is he jeopardising Plaid’s slim chances in the upcomIng GE but will scuttle them at 2021 polls if not before. A grade A* Muppet.

    1. Hoelen ar y pen.

      It’s not Westminster holding us back, it’s the Labour party in Cardiff Bay and their little helpers in Plaid Cymru. They’re the problem, not the solution. A Welsh Government run by a party that has a genuine interest in making Wales a better place would have enough power to do so, but it’s clear for all (except Plaid) to see that Labour’s project is simply to increase Wales’s dependency on the UK and undermine the independence cause. And as Jac often points out, that’s precisely what Devolution was designed to do.

    1. The Welsh clubs that ‘support Wales’ are those with no TV profile and no real sponsorship income. If you want to see shirts with ‘Jones the Butcher’ then you have to go watch Real Cwmscwt.

  5. Wrexhamian

    Can’t help wondering if these Swansea Loyalists are genuine Jacks or have beached up from Belfast or Glasgow.

    Jac’s forebodings about a dirty war, come a Scottish indyref Yes vote, echo my own. Ultimately, the Scots will probably achieve independence come what may. But I’ve got real fears for what the the UK State will try to do to Wales if we vote likewise. And it won’t need to deploy the Swansea Loyals. My prediction: Uncle Sam will ride to our rescue; a lot of pro-Welsh sympathy there.

      1. David Smith

        Looking at the pictures they look like a right band of chavs. Empty vessels making the most noise and that.

  6. Mel Morgan

    I must preface my subsequent remarks by noting that, for various cogent reasons, Swansea is in my opinion the best possible seat for the Senedd. In addition, I would hold that this country is hopelessly over-centralized, and becoming more so with each passing day.

  7. Mel Morgan

    These crude generalizations about ‘Cardiff’ will simply not do.

    The capital is as divided and unequal as the country as a whole. It contains within its boundaries the extremes of wealth and poverty. Comfortable neighbourhoods enjoy delightful standards of living within sight of places blighted by unemployment, homelessness, ill-health, and crime.

    Welsh ‘Government’ largesse most certainly does reach out far from Cardiff, as I have observed in previous employment. However, it is always bestowed with a purpose, and on those who have demonstrated their fealty. If you are an ordinary person in Cardiff, then you are at best an irrelevance.

    When covering the Devolution campaign for an overseas news organization, I was forciblystruck by the psephology of the capital. In any neighbourhood, support for Devolution was in inverse proportion to its affluence. These are the people whose interests motivate Neil McEvoy, and who are now giving him their support.

    1. ‘Crude generalizations’ be buggered! You come here accusing me with US spellings! Scoundrel!

      Listen very carefully, for the argument you’re propounding is not original, it’s one used by London, Paris, and countless other wealthy cities. In terms of per capita investment on capital projects, or jobs created in the past two decades paying £30,000+ per annum, I guarantee that Cardiff dwarfs all other areas.

      If the goodies are not being distributed more equitably within Cardiff then it is not the fault of anyone in Bedwas or Blaenau Ffestiniog, and should not be used to justify deprivation in these (and other) communities.

      1. Mel Morgan

        As nobody, as far as I am aware, has attempted to justify deprivation in Bedwas and Blaenau Ffestiniog by reference to deprivation in Cardiff, you may set your mind at rest. Pour yourself a glass of something red, and put your feet up.

        The reasons for the use of the correct rendering of the etymological Greek zeta are more than adequately explained in the OED, whose spellings, rather than those of Webster, Cambridge, and other such pale imitations, I usually follow.

        1. But when confronted with the evidence of the many deprived communities in Wales defenders of the status quo use examples from within Cardiff in the hope of somehow proving that the difficulties experienced by our post-industrial and other communities is a national problem shared by Cardiff and therefore we’re all in the same boat.

          Which as we know is bollocks, because Cardiff for at least 20 years has been getting more than its fair share of the Welsh funding cake. Which leads me to reluctantly repeat, ‘If the goodies are not being distributed more equitably within Cardiff then it is not the fault of anyone in Bedwas or Blaenau Ffestiniog’.

          1. Mel Morgan

            If somebody has made such a ludicrous claim, please point to the evidence. We would all, I’m sure, wish to join in mocking them.

            However, this is highly unlikely. I strongly suspect that you’re worrying about nothing. Thank you for your interest.

  8. Brychan

    I can understand ‘loyalist’ icons in the northern counties of Ireland because of the culture that was sent there by the English crown. Their ancestors, arriving as paid immigrants and the later generations want to keep their traditional isolation and stipend from England. Inevitably this was re-imported to places like Glasgow during industrialisation.

    But why do these Swansea people latch on to these icons?

    I suspect it’s all to do with small penis man. I do notice that the individuals concerned are rather small in stature and some have adorned themselves in tattoos to make themselves look ‘hard’. There doesn’t appear to be any deep rooted political or cultural reason for ‘Swansea Loyals’.

    There are some young lads in Swansea who put a wide exhaust and go-faster stripes on their Vauxhall Corsa and hang around Asda car park to try and impress. I assume these ‘Swansea loyals’ is just a version of this behaviour and seek to display ‘powerful banners’ as a mark of prowess.

    Sad.

    1. Mel Morgan

      Trist iawn feri sad. I suspect that you may be right. There seems to be a lot of this kind of thing about nowadays.

    2. David Smith

      Why do hardline far right Brit Nats appropriate Nazi iconography and do the salute in their “gatherings”? Naziism is in diametric opposition to that central tenet of Britishness, the idea of having stood together to defeat it in the war. The answer is simply that these sorts of people are pathologically stupid.

  9. David Smith

    I had to pass along that having searched for Swansea Loyals in Google, the top results are this article and your blog, at least for me anyway, so bravo on that one!

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