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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1784</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1783&quot;&gt;Daley Gleephart&lt;/a&gt;.

Calm down now, calm down! You&#039;re getting yourself worked up.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1783">Daley Gleephart</a>.</p>
<p>Calm down now, calm down! You&#8217;re getting yourself worked up.</p>
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		By: Daley Gleephart		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1783</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 12:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1782&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh, things like human rights that UKIP and at least 92 Tory MPs want to get rid of e.g.
Four weeks paid leave. 
Equal treatment for agency workers. 
Limits on the number of hours children can work. 
Tea and lunch breaks during the working day. 
A day off a week. 
Requirements for employers to protect the health and safety of employees. 
Time off for ante-natal appointments. 

I think that the biggest changes have come from, and for the benefit of, Bilderberg Group attendees e.g. 
Widening the gap between the rich and the poor. 
Tax havens, tax breaks and loopholes for billionaires and multinationals. 
The outsourcing of production to third world countries. 
Casino banking. 
Bad employers having the pittance they pay to workers topped up by the benefits system. 
Call centres (some of which are in the third world). 
Raising the retirement age. 
Withdrawal of State-funded professional legal representation. 
Ignoring doctor diagnosis of long term illness/disability. 
Spying on everyone.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1782">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Oh, things like human rights that UKIP and at least 92 Tory MPs want to get rid of e.g.<br />
Four weeks paid leave.<br />
Equal treatment for agency workers.<br />
Limits on the number of hours children can work.<br />
Tea and lunch breaks during the working day.<br />
A day off a week.<br />
Requirements for employers to protect the health and safety of employees.<br />
Time off for ante-natal appointments. </p>
<p>I think that the biggest changes have come from, and for the benefit of, Bilderberg Group attendees e.g.<br />
Widening the gap between the rich and the poor.<br />
Tax havens, tax breaks and loopholes for billionaires and multinationals.<br />
The outsourcing of production to third world countries.<br />
Casino banking.<br />
Bad employers having the pittance they pay to workers topped up by the benefits system.<br />
Call centres (some of which are in the third world).<br />
Raising the retirement age.<br />
Withdrawal of State-funded professional legal representation.<br />
Ignoring doctor diagnosis of long term illness/disability.<br />
Spying on everyone.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1782</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2014 10:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1779&quot;&gt;Daley Gleephart&lt;/a&gt;.

What I meant was that the public, political, social and legal attitudes to a whole host of subjects have changed in recent decades and these changes began with protest and campaign groups. Just think race, sexuality, environment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1779">Daley Gleephart</a>.</p>
<p>What I meant was that the public, political, social and legal attitudes to a whole host of subjects have changed in recent decades and these changes began with protest and campaign groups. Just think race, sexuality, environment.</p>
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		By: daffy2012		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1781</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry....the link: http://www.scottishtimes.com/uk_economy_faces_lehman_type_crisis_says_leading_economist]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry&#8230;.the link: <a href="http://www.scottishtimes.com/uk_economy_faces_lehman_type_crisis_says_leading_economist" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.scottishtimes.com/uk_economy_faces_lehman_type_crisis_says_leading_economist</a></p>
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		By: daffy2012		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 22:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OT
This guy is interesting.  He talks of the UK and Scotland.  You could also ask......&quot;Can Wales afford to remain a part of the UK?&quot;  Labour in Wales may one day get more poverty than they ever hoped for.  How will the people react?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT<br />
This guy is interesting.  He talks of the UK and Scotland.  You could also ask&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;Can Wales afford to remain a part of the UK?&#8221;  Labour in Wales may one day get more poverty than they ever hoped for.  How will the people react?</p>
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		By: Daley Gleephart		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1779</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1778&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Please list what you think are the &#039;biggest changes&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1778">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Please list what you think are the &#8216;biggest changes&#8217;.</p>
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		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1778</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 15:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1777&quot;&gt;Llew&lt;/a&gt;.

At the moment, in Wales, we have an uninformed or disinterested electorate, due to a political system that is discredited in the eyes of most people. These are perfect conditions for extra-parliamentary opposition, and single-issue groups, to be influential. The biggest changes we&#039;ve seen in recent decades have not come from grassroots opinion or party members but have been virtually forced on politicians by pressure groups.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1777">Llew</a>.</p>
<p>At the moment, in Wales, we have an uninformed or disinterested electorate, due to a political system that is discredited in the eyes of most people. These are perfect conditions for extra-parliamentary opposition, and single-issue groups, to be influential. The biggest changes we&#8217;ve seen in recent decades have not come from grassroots opinion or party members but have been virtually forced on politicians by pressure groups.</p>
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		By: Llew		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1777</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 14:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Labour has clearly gone &quot;more Welsh&quot; in the way it presents itself. Theyve moved closer to Plaid and there are fewer dividing lines. There&#039;s only independence and the language but they&#039;re not seen as &quot;good&quot; dividing lines outside the areas that already vote for Plaid. Wales&#039; future though isn&#039;t in Plaid&#039;s hands. It depends a lot on Scotland&#039;s vote (as we did in 1997) and the next two UK General elections (which largely determine the subsequent Assembly results).

We have to accept though, whether we are Plaid or non-Plaid, devolution at least partly reflects what Welsh people actually want. Only partly because most don&#039;t vote/don&#039;t care, but those that do vote are the most patriotic and they do tend to be Labour. That makes things harder for PC or for any other nationalist party. But that&#039;s where we are. It is apathetic and bland I agree.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Labour has clearly gone &#8220;more Welsh&#8221; in the way it presents itself. Theyve moved closer to Plaid and there are fewer dividing lines. There&#8217;s only independence and the language but they&#8217;re not seen as &#8220;good&#8221; dividing lines outside the areas that already vote for Plaid. Wales&#8217; future though isn&#8217;t in Plaid&#8217;s hands. It depends a lot on Scotland&#8217;s vote (as we did in 1997) and the next two UK General elections (which largely determine the subsequent Assembly results).</p>
<p>We have to accept though, whether we are Plaid or non-Plaid, devolution at least partly reflects what Welsh people actually want. Only partly because most don&#8217;t vote/don&#8217;t care, but those that do vote are the most patriotic and they do tend to be Labour. That makes things harder for PC or for any other nationalist party. But that&#8217;s where we are. It is apathetic and bland I agree.</p>
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		By: Daley Gleephart		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1776</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 12:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1774&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;The mandatory coalition at Stormont should end and the salaries and expenses of MLAs should be halved, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said.&quot; 
&quot;UKIP says Stormont is too expensive and has called for the number of MLAs to be reduced, although the party does not say by how many.&quot; 
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-13159202 

UKIP Manifesto Scotland 
We will - 
Retain the Scottish Parliament 
Replace MSPs with Scottish Westminster MPs 

UKIP Maifesto Wales 
We will - 
Renew the Welsh Assembly, but in a far less costly form 
Remove the Assembly Members, who are overpaid and underemployed 
Replace them with Welsh Westminster MPs meeting a week a month in Wales]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1774">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;The mandatory coalition at Stormont should end and the salaries and expenses of MLAs should be halved, UKIP leader Nigel Farage has said.&#8221;<br />
&#8220;UKIP says Stormont is too expensive and has called for the number of MLAs to be reduced, although the party does not say by how many.&#8221;<br />
Source: <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-13159202" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-politics-13159202</a> </p>
<p>UKIP Manifesto Scotland<br />
We will &#8211;<br />
Retain the Scottish Parliament<br />
Replace MSPs with Scottish Westminster MPs </p>
<p>UKIP Maifesto Wales<br />
We will &#8211;<br />
Renew the Welsh Assembly, but in a far less costly form<br />
Remove the Assembly Members, who are overpaid and underemployed<br />
Replace them with Welsh Westminster MPs meeting a week a month in Wales</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Feb 2014 11:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1771&quot;&gt;Llew&lt;/a&gt;.

To achieve anything a national party must be different. It must offer something different. Plaid is too close to Labour and admits that - so why vote Plaid? Especially when, additionally, Plaid is also perceived as the &#039;Language Party&#039;. For Plaid to have any hope of future success it needs to a) promote a stronger, more distinct identity and b) get out there campaigning on the countless &#039;open goals&#039; Labour and the colonial establishment offer. 

&lt;strong&gt;&quot;I think it’s easy to criticise the nationalist party when the problems lie with the nation itself. We’re actually legally part of England. A conquest happened here that never did in Scotland. An amalgamation happened here.&quot;&lt;/strong&gt; The constitutional arrangement and how it came about is irrelevant, it&#039;s the mindset of the people that matters and who is allowed to influence that mindset.

The biggest problem today - especially when compared to the &#039;60s - is that no one is stirring people up, giving them hope, making them realise things could be so much better. This nation is in danger of dying of apathy, but it needn&#039;t be this way. There are hundreds of thousands of Welsh people desperately seeking inspiration and leadership. They have been betrayed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/polls-and-donkeys/#comment-1771">Llew</a>.</p>
<p>To achieve anything a national party must be different. It must offer something different. Plaid is too close to Labour and admits that &#8211; so why vote Plaid? Especially when, additionally, Plaid is also perceived as the &#8216;Language Party&#8217;. For Plaid to have any hope of future success it needs to a) promote a stronger, more distinct identity and b) get out there campaigning on the countless &#8216;open goals&#8217; Labour and the colonial establishment offer. </p>
<p><strong>&#8220;I think it’s easy to criticise the nationalist party when the problems lie with the nation itself. We’re actually legally part of England. A conquest happened here that never did in Scotland. An amalgamation happened here.&#8221;</strong> The constitutional arrangement and how it came about is irrelevant, it&#8217;s the mindset of the people that matters and who is allowed to influence that mindset.</p>
<p>The biggest problem today &#8211; especially when compared to the &#8217;60s &#8211; is that no one is stirring people up, giving them hope, making them realise things could be so much better. This nation is in danger of dying of apathy, but it needn&#8217;t be this way. There are hundreds of thousands of Welsh people desperately seeking inspiration and leadership. They have been betrayed.</p>
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