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		By: David Smith		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37128</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[They are perfect for our overlords as you say because their brainwashed apologists will always turn round and say - &quot;Look at the shambles we have in Wales for politicians, who&#039;d want that lot completely in charge?&quot;. Just like the &quot;The Assembly - what a waste of money!&quot; crowd have the Puppet Parliament and its shortcomings as grist to their mill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are perfect for our overlords as you say because their brainwashed apologists will always turn round and say &#8211; &#8220;Look at the shambles we have in Wales for politicians, who&#8217;d want that lot completely in charge?&#8221;. Just like the &#8220;The Assembly &#8211; what a waste of money!&#8221; crowd have the Puppet Parliament and its shortcomings as grist to their mill.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2020 13:50:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Slightly off the main thrust of this topic but worth a comment. - Interesting report on Golwg 360 :

 https://golwg360.cymru/newyddion/cymru/568126-beirniadu-iaith-wachul-dramau

Cynog Dafis now complaining about too much Anglo idiom and dialogue in S4C Welsh drama output. I think the criticism is justified but a bit rich coming from Cynog. The once upon a time veteran Cymdeithas warrior seems to have forgotten his time as a leading light in Plaid when he and his fellow leadership team spent too much time courting &quot;allies&quot; within the Anglo Unionist mix and inevitably accelerated the absorption of some seriously cock eyed alien thoughts which gives us the Plaid of today. Such dilution has inevitably sent out a signal that turning Welsh into a mongrel sloppy hybrid is perfectly O.K especially among the likes of the right-on media shower that inhabit the demi-monde of Pontcanna and other leafy suburbs of our Capital city.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slightly off the main thrust of this topic but worth a comment. &#8211; Interesting report on Golwg 360 :</p>
<p> <a href="https://golwg360.cymru/newyddion/cymru/568126-beirniadu-iaith-wachul-dramau" rel="nofollow ugc">https://golwg360.cymru/newyddion/cymru/568126-beirniadu-iaith-wachul-dramau</a></p>
<p>Cynog Dafis now complaining about too much Anglo idiom and dialogue in S4C Welsh drama output. I think the criticism is justified but a bit rich coming from Cynog. The once upon a time veteran Cymdeithas warrior seems to have forgotten his time as a leading light in Plaid when he and his fellow leadership team spent too much time courting &#8220;allies&#8221; within the Anglo Unionist mix and inevitably accelerated the absorption of some seriously cock eyed alien thoughts which gives us the Plaid of today. Such dilution has inevitably sent out a signal that turning Welsh into a mongrel sloppy hybrid is perfectly O.K especially among the likes of the right-on media shower that inhabit the demi-monde of Pontcanna and other leafy suburbs of our Capital city.</p>
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		By: John Young		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2020 17:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37032&quot;&gt;Nidum&lt;/a&gt;.

A small thing I know but, even though I resigned from Plaid a couple of years ago I still get those dreaded emails from BS asking for my thoughts and any queries or problems I may have.

I had one about a month ago so I replied. One guess. Got it in one. The deafening silence continues.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37032">Nidum</a>.</p>
<p>A small thing I know but, even though I resigned from Plaid a couple of years ago I still get those dreaded emails from BS asking for my thoughts and any queries or problems I may have.</p>
<p>I had one about a month ago so I replied. One guess. Got it in one. The deafening silence continues.</p>
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		By: Nidum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 22:50:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jac - you said earlier :-
&quot;I’m sure you’re right, Stan. Which means that Plaid’s behaviour towards Neil McEvoy has been driven by a couple of embittered women and their friends and allies playing on the ‘All men are bastards’ theme. And, then, when he started rocking the boat by exposing the corruption in Cardiff Bay, and Plaid’s involvement, his fate was sealed.But that’s a damning indictment of Plaid Cymru, not Neil McEvoy&quot;..
Why should we in South Wales West suffer from this unemployable AM (in our real world), student politician AM in particular. I say to Adam Price &quot;Weed her out!&quot; - but you will not do it because you&#039;ve got no balls - unlike the former old boxer from Ammanford!  Please move east Adam and become a Labour MP in England! 
Please Stan tell us what you know of this ghostly AM in Neath and Wales South Wales West Region.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jac &#8211; you said earlier :-<br />
&#8220;I’m sure you’re right, Stan. Which means that Plaid’s behaviour towards Neil McEvoy has been driven by a couple of embittered women and their friends and allies playing on the ‘All men are bastards’ theme. And, then, when he started rocking the boat by exposing the corruption in Cardiff Bay, and Plaid’s involvement, his fate was sealed.But that’s a damning indictment of Plaid Cymru, not Neil McEvoy&#8221;..<br />
Why should we in South Wales West suffer from this unemployable AM (in our real world), student politician AM in particular. I say to Adam Price &#8220;Weed her out!&#8221; &#8211; but you will not do it because you&#8217;ve got no balls &#8211; unlike the former old boxer from Ammanford!  Please move east Adam and become a Labour MP in England!<br />
Please Stan tell us what you know of this ghostly AM in Neath and Wales South Wales West Region.</p>
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		By: Stan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 21:22:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37032&quot;&gt;Nidum&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with you. But be careful how loud you say it or you&#039;ll be accused of misogyny and bullying. She plays that card regularly when you dare voice criticism of her performance or value for money, rather than deal with the essence of it. We deserve better but what can you do?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37032">Nidum</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with you. But be careful how loud you say it or you&#8217;ll be accused of misogyny and bullying. She plays that card regularly when you dare voice criticism of her performance or value for money, rather than deal with the essence of it. We deserve better but what can you do?</p>
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		By: Nidum		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 19:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for partially answering my question about our regional South Wales West female Plaid Cymru AM. Most of the people I talk to politically (but that&#039;s not many) think this AM is particularly of no help to us her constituents. All along it has been with her just student type politics and very little of that for over £67,000 per annum!  That&#039;s a disgraceful lot of money for doing very little in Cardiff Bay and even far less in South Wales West. Yet Adam Price could not care a toss. If she got deselected as hoped for, but unlikely, what job could she do? Maybe Glyn Neath Community Council could employ her part time to carry the Clerk&#039;s brief case to meetings. Seriously, it is a disgrace to have people like that taking over £67,000 for being a political ghost intent on undermining a fine stalwart like Neil McEvoy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for partially answering my question about our regional South Wales West female Plaid Cymru AM. Most of the people I talk to politically (but that&#8217;s not many) think this AM is particularly of no help to us her constituents. All along it has been with her just student type politics and very little of that for over £67,000 per annum!  That&#8217;s a disgraceful lot of money for doing very little in Cardiff Bay and even far less in South Wales West. Yet Adam Price could not care a toss. If she got deselected as hoped for, but unlikely, what job could she do? Maybe Glyn Neath Community Council could employ her part time to carry the Clerk&#8217;s brief case to meetings. Seriously, it is a disgrace to have people like that taking over £67,000 for being a political ghost intent on undermining a fine stalwart like Neil McEvoy.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 19:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37029&quot;&gt;Dai Protheroe&lt;/a&gt;.

Definitely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37029">Dai Protheroe</a>.</p>
<p>Definitely.</p>
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		By: Wynne		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37005&quot;&gt;Alun&lt;/a&gt;.

You are old enough to remember Gwynfor Evans Alun. Those were the days my friend.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37005">Alun</a>.</p>
<p>You are old enough to remember Gwynfor Evans Alun. Those were the days my friend.</p>
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		By: Dai Protheroe		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dai Protheroe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 18:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37023&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Ms Richards worked for Sophie Howe for a number of years (Future Generations Commissioner for Wales). Not sure that she&#039;s there any longer, last I heard she was looking for work as a Communications bod. Plaid??]]></description>
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<p>Ms Richards worked for Sophie Howe for a number of years (Future Generations Commissioner for Wales). Not sure that she&#8217;s there any longer, last I heard she was looking for work as a Communications bod. Plaid??</p>
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		By: Stan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2020 18:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37022&quot;&gt;Nidum&lt;/a&gt;.

I can&#039;t comment as an &quot;insider&quot; but only as an individual who has &quot;followed&quot; Bethan and Neil McEvoy through their public social media posts. 

When McEvoy was excluded from Plaid there is a record of her posting that if he was reinstated to membership she&#039;d be jacking it in. This may have been a late night, possibly prosecco fuelled threat, but she said it nonetheless. I thought at the time it was bollocks. After all, she might not be the brightest star in the Senedd firmament, but even she knows she&#039;s onto a bloody good number. AMs are on about £67K a year, and they’ve just been promised up to £297 a month for child care, so you can bet that’ll come in handy. If she chairs a committee, and I seem to recall that was the case, then there’d be extras in that pay packet. Could you imagine anyone of Mrs Sayed’s talents earning anything like this in the private sector? Especially in the post-Covid world where there’ll likely be lots of people looking for work with talent and skills employers really value. Unless it was in the oldest profession – not that I’m suggesting for one moment that would be an appropriate alternative livelihood for her or any other woman.

I’ve witnessed loads of occasions when she’s stirred things up for McEvoy on her social media. She regularly shares little “in” messages with another of McEvoy’s former partners, whose relentless pursuit of him over the years would put Lieutenant Gerrard of The Fugitive to shame. Needless to say, most of these exchanges are about McEvoy, who seems damned if he ignores them, but certainly damned if he doesn’t because then that reinforces the accusations against him in their eyes and any kickback from McEvoy brings the usual bullying Woke Army into the fray, much as poor Dilys Davies found out last year.

Where I’m coming to is that if a personal vendetta such as this, against an elected representative, has been allowed to continue by Leanne previously, and now fuck all done about it by Adam, then can you imagine what must have gone behind closed doors to seal McEvoy’s fate. Several years ago I had time for Plaid. But I now see them as just as much a bunch of unscrupulous, untrustworthy, self-serving bastards as Labour. A plague on all of them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/plaid-cymru-and-the-welsh-national-party/#comment-37022">Nidum</a>.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment as an &#8220;insider&#8221; but only as an individual who has &#8220;followed&#8221; Bethan and Neil McEvoy through their public social media posts. </p>
<p>When McEvoy was excluded from Plaid there is a record of her posting that if he was reinstated to membership she&#8217;d be jacking it in. This may have been a late night, possibly prosecco fuelled threat, but she said it nonetheless. I thought at the time it was bollocks. After all, she might not be the brightest star in the Senedd firmament, but even she knows she&#8217;s onto a bloody good number. AMs are on about £67K a year, and they’ve just been promised up to £297 a month for child care, so you can bet that’ll come in handy. If she chairs a committee, and I seem to recall that was the case, then there’d be extras in that pay packet. Could you imagine anyone of Mrs Sayed’s talents earning anything like this in the private sector? Especially in the post-Covid world where there’ll likely be lots of people looking for work with talent and skills employers really value. Unless it was in the oldest profession – not that I’m suggesting for one moment that would be an appropriate alternative livelihood for her or any other woman.</p>
<p>I’ve witnessed loads of occasions when she’s stirred things up for McEvoy on her social media. She regularly shares little “in” messages with another of McEvoy’s former partners, whose relentless pursuit of him over the years would put Lieutenant Gerrard of The Fugitive to shame. Needless to say, most of these exchanges are about McEvoy, who seems damned if he ignores them, but certainly damned if he doesn’t because then that reinforces the accusations against him in their eyes and any kickback from McEvoy brings the usual bullying Woke Army into the fray, much as poor Dilys Davies found out last year.</p>
<p>Where I’m coming to is that if a personal vendetta such as this, against an elected representative, has been allowed to continue by Leanne previously, and now fuck all done about it by Adam, then can you imagine what must have gone behind closed doors to seal McEvoy’s fate. Several years ago I had time for Plaid. But I now see them as just as much a bunch of unscrupulous, untrustworthy, self-serving bastards as Labour. A plague on all of them.</p>
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