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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21402</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21401&quot;&gt;Aled&lt;/a&gt;.

This RIFW land deal is the biggest single scandal in recent Welsh political history. I am currently working on another post, having come across yet more information. It should be out tomorrow.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21401">Aled</a>.</p>
<p>This RIFW land deal is the biggest single scandal in recent Welsh political history. I am currently working on another post, having come across yet more information. It should be out tomorrow.</p>
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		By: Aled		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Mar 2016 23:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve read this letter from the Auditor general regarding the RIFW/LSH/SWLD scandal:

http://www.senedd.assembly.wales/documents/s44654/Letter%20from%20the%20Auditor%20General%20for%20Wales%206%20October%202015.pdf

Also, there&#039;s little dispute that at least 60 acres of the Lisvane land is &quot;developable&quot; (is that a word?)

Anyway, the value of land with planning permission for residential in Cardiff is around £2million an acre, and in Lisvane - the part of Wales with the most expensive houses - it is probably even more.

Sorry to link to WalesOnline but they have some figures from a while back

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/commercial-property/encouraging-signs-value-building-land-6229496

That means that the Lisvane land alone is worth around £100-£200 million, in my opinion.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve read this letter from the Auditor general regarding the RIFW/LSH/SWLD scandal:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.senedd.assembly.wales/documents/s44654/Letter%20from%20the%20Auditor%20General%20for%20Wales%206%20October%202015.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.senedd.assembly.wales/documents/s44654/Letter%20from%20the%20Auditor%20General%20for%20Wales%206%20October%202015.pdf</a></p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s little dispute that at least 60 acres of the Lisvane land is &#8220;developable&#8221; (is that a word?)</p>
<p>Anyway, the value of land with planning permission for residential in Cardiff is around £2million an acre, and in Lisvane &#8211; the part of Wales with the most expensive houses &#8211; it is probably even more.</p>
<p>Sorry to link to WalesOnline but they have some figures from a while back</p>
<p><a href="http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/commercial-property/encouraging-signs-value-building-land-6229496" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/commercial-property/encouraging-signs-value-building-land-6229496</a></p>
<p>That means that the Lisvane land alone is worth around £100-£200 million, in my opinion.</p>
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		By: jim		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 21:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re labour cronies, the new Chair of Wales Arts COuncil is Phil George, sidekick to Dai Smith, both having had important jobs in the BBC  and both faithful Labour party supporters. Dai&#039;s son done well - Owen Smith MP. Anyway Phil is one of the bosses of Greenbay TV who  seem to get an awful lot of work from S4C and have also recieved public sector funding to develop programmes many years ago 
http://www.green-bay.tv/news/2004/04/12/official-opening/
Like many other Cardiff centric or Enlish owned production companies I bet they get another grant when they decide to move  west to Carmarthen, to the empire of Trinty St Davids Swansea Graig Pibwrlwyd Townhill University of Wales .. have you been looking at that &quot;business&quot; Jac? ...but i digress

Greenbay recently produced the diabolically mad or bad DNA Cymru  - talk about flawed science and conflict of interest,  see
http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/more-on-s4c-dna-cymru-controversy-and.html
but never mind it proved that Dafydd Iwan was truly y Mab Darogan. What a load of bollocks that was
And guess what this totally flawed series has been nominated for tv &#038; Film awards, along with the other Welsh nominations surley  a reflection of the state of the Welsh media - John &#038; Alun, Casualty, faulty science series and a grumpy policeman in mid Wales.. I mean Casulaty FFS? How some of these progs can claim to be &quot; Celtic&quot; beats me, bit like the dodgy DNA.

Sorry went completely off the point there mun]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re labour cronies, the new Chair of Wales Arts COuncil is Phil George, sidekick to Dai Smith, both having had important jobs in the BBC  and both faithful Labour party supporters. Dai&#8217;s son done well &#8211; Owen Smith MP. Anyway Phil is one of the bosses of Greenbay TV who  seem to get an awful lot of work from S4C and have also recieved public sector funding to develop programmes many years ago<br />
<a href="http://www.green-bay.tv/news/2004/04/12/official-opening/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.green-bay.tv/news/2004/04/12/official-opening/</a><br />
Like many other Cardiff centric or Enlish owned production companies I bet they get another grant when they decide to move  west to Carmarthen, to the empire of Trinty St Davids Swansea Graig Pibwrlwyd Townhill University of Wales .. have you been looking at that &#8220;business&#8221; Jac? &#8230;but i digress</p>
<p>Greenbay recently produced the diabolically mad or bad DNA Cymru  &#8211; talk about flawed science and conflict of interest,  see<br />
<a href="http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/more-on-s4c-dna-cymru-controversy-and.html" rel="nofollow ugc">http://cruwys.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/more-on-s4c-dna-cymru-controversy-and.html</a><br />
but never mind it proved that Dafydd Iwan was truly y Mab Darogan. What a load of bollocks that was<br />
And guess what this totally flawed series has been nominated for tv &amp; Film awards, along with the other Welsh nominations surley  a reflection of the state of the Welsh media &#8211; John &amp; Alun, Casualty, faulty science series and a grumpy policeman in mid Wales.. I mean Casulaty FFS? How some of these progs can claim to be &#8221; Celtic&#8221; beats me, bit like the dodgy DNA.</p>
<p>Sorry went completely off the point there mun</p>
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		By: treforus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 19:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21396&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Frankly, I&#039;m reminded of the classic line by Eli Wallach as the bandit chief in the Magnificent Seven: 
&quot;If God had not meant them to be shorn, He would not have made them sheep.&quot;
I can&#039;t understand why an outside Force hasn&#039;t been brought in. No doubt they&#039;re hoping that they can concoct a settlement with LSH&#039;s insurers to convince the masses of their competence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21396">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m reminded of the classic line by Eli Wallach as the bandit chief in the Magnificent Seven:<br />
&#8220;If God had not meant them to be shorn, He would not have made them sheep.&#8221;<br />
I can&#8217;t understand why an outside Force hasn&#8217;t been brought in. No doubt they&#8217;re hoping that they can concoct a settlement with LSH&#8217;s insurers to convince the masses of their competence.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 13:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21395&quot;&gt;Stan&lt;/a&gt;.

Of course you&#039;re not Stan the Pies, Stan . . . though I&#039;ve never actually met you . . . You say you&#039;re in Neath but you could be in Guernsey counting your money.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21395">Stan</a>.</p>
<p>Of course you&#8217;re not Stan the Pies, Stan . . . though I&#8217;ve never actually met you . . . You say you&#8217;re in Neath but you could be in Guernsey counting your money.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 09:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21393&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

After making some enquiries here and there, the picture becomes more interesting, and more damning.

Imperial House in Newport was of course one of the lots in the package deal that South Wales Land Developments Ltd aka Stan Thomas bought from the Regeneration Investment Fund for Wales acting on the &#039;advice&#039; of Lambert Smith Hampton, against whom the &#039;Welsh&#039; Government is now, belatedly&#039;, beginning legal proceedings.

On July 13, 2012 Imperial House was sold by South Wales Land Developments Ltd to Imperial House Developments Ltd for a stated price of £1,750,000. 

On October 26, 2015, &quot;Phase II&quot; of Imperial House was sold to Oxenwood YPL (Investments) Ltd of Guernsey for £3,853,823 (exclusive of VAT). 

I have also turned up a redacted version of the report by Deloitte into the deal, dated St David&#039;s Day 2013, commissioned by the &#039;Welsh&#039; Government. It is damning. No due diligence, others firms expressed an interest but were either ignored or told to go away.

Further &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;30 March 2011 LSH meet Sir Stanley Thomas and Langley Davies to discuss the sale&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt; So it was &lt;strong&gt;always&lt;/strong&gt; known that Langley Davies was fronting for Stan Thomas. So why didn&#039;t LSH and RIFW insist that ST come out of the shadows?

Instead, as the Deloitte report tells us, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&quot;South Wales Land Developments Ltd is recorded in the schedule commenting initial interest was from GST. SWLDL was the ultimate purchaser but an SPV was not mentioned until 10 May, and SWLDL itself was not incorporated until much later, so the name cannot have been known at the date of the offer&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

In other words, and as I ask in the post, &#039;How can anyone sell anything to a company that doesn&#039;t exist?&#039;

I was too easy on those involved in this post; this case is corruption pure and simple, and it&#039;s easy to see who the guilty parties are. I shall be doing another post incorporating the new information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21393">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>After making some enquiries here and there, the picture becomes more interesting, and more damning.</p>
<p>Imperial House in Newport was of course one of the lots in the package deal that South Wales Land Developments Ltd aka Stan Thomas bought from the Regeneration Investment Fund for Wales acting on the &#8216;advice&#8217; of Lambert Smith Hampton, against whom the &#8216;Welsh&#8217; Government is now, belatedly&#8217;, beginning legal proceedings.</p>
<p>On July 13, 2012 Imperial House was sold by South Wales Land Developments Ltd to Imperial House Developments Ltd for a stated price of £1,750,000. </p>
<p>On October 26, 2015, &#8220;Phase II&#8221; of Imperial House was sold to Oxenwood YPL (Investments) Ltd of Guernsey for £3,853,823 (exclusive of VAT). </p>
<p>I have also turned up a redacted version of the report by Deloitte into the deal, dated St David&#8217;s Day 2013, commissioned by the &#8216;Welsh&#8217; Government. It is damning. No due diligence, others firms expressed an interest but were either ignored or told to go away.</p>
<p>Further <em><strong>&#8220;30 March 2011 LSH meet Sir Stanley Thomas and Langley Davies to discuss the sale&#8221;.</strong></em> So it was <strong>always</strong> known that Langley Davies was fronting for Stan Thomas. So why didn&#8217;t LSH and RIFW insist that ST come out of the shadows?</p>
<p>Instead, as the Deloitte report tells us, <em><strong>&#8220;South Wales Land Developments Ltd is recorded in the schedule commenting initial interest was from GST. SWLDL was the ultimate purchaser but an SPV was not mentioned until 10 May, and SWLDL itself was not incorporated until much later, so the name cannot have been known at the date of the offer&#8221;.</strong></em></p>
<p>In other words, and as I ask in the post, &#8216;How can anyone sell anything to a company that doesn&#8217;t exist?&#8217;</p>
<p>I was too easy on those involved in this post; this case is corruption pure and simple, and it&#8217;s easy to see who the guilty parties are. I shall be doing another post incorporating the new information.</p>
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		By: Stan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Mar 2016 00:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read Jac&#039;s exposes (sorry - can&#039;t work out how to do &quot;accute&quot; accent) for a couple of years now and they should be made compulsory study for anyone in Wales who wants to cast a vote. This latest story reveals once again a cancer at the heart of our Welsh politics, one that the enlightened can clearly see thanks to Jac and his ilk, whilst others stumble around seemingly in denial yet continue to place their cross against anything with &quot;Labour&quot; against it. What can be done about it? I wish I had the answer. Surely the other political parties in Wales, who have the benefit of far greater resources than Jac, were aware of much of what Jac has written for us? But do they rock the boat? Do they f***. It&#039;s left for an individual like Jac to stick his neck out and like the kid who called out the naked Emperor, show us all the bleedin&#039; obvious. All I can say, Jac, if only a fraction of what you have brought to my attention over the years was lies or bollocks - you wouldn&#039;t be writing now, because the rich and famous and well-connected would have had you sorted by now, one means or another.

I tend to agree with an earlier comment by the author himself - this isn&#039;t necessarily about Labour per se. The likes of Stan Thomas would have attached themselves to whosoever held the power (and pursestrings) in Wales.  So much of what we find out has nothing to do with ideology, Left or Right, Unionist or Nationalist, Republican or Monarchist, Third Sector/Public or Private Sector. Jac hits the nail on the head in that it&#039;s all about filthy lucre. These bloodsuckers would attach themselves to any side - all they are interested in is what they can get out of it themselves. But the Donkey Sanctuary in Cardiff Bay, led by a bunch of prize Asses, certainly provides fertile ground for these parasites to thrive.

Enough from me - keep up the good work!

PS - though I write under the name Stan, I am most definitely not the Pieman himself, though I am partial to a good Steak and Kidney.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read Jac&#8217;s exposes (sorry &#8211; can&#8217;t work out how to do &#8220;accute&#8221; accent) for a couple of years now and they should be made compulsory study for anyone in Wales who wants to cast a vote. This latest story reveals once again a cancer at the heart of our Welsh politics, one that the enlightened can clearly see thanks to Jac and his ilk, whilst others stumble around seemingly in denial yet continue to place their cross against anything with &#8220;Labour&#8221; against it. What can be done about it? I wish I had the answer. Surely the other political parties in Wales, who have the benefit of far greater resources than Jac, were aware of much of what Jac has written for us? But do they rock the boat? Do they f***. It&#8217;s left for an individual like Jac to stick his neck out and like the kid who called out the naked Emperor, show us all the bleedin&#8217; obvious. All I can say, Jac, if only a fraction of what you have brought to my attention over the years was lies or bollocks &#8211; you wouldn&#8217;t be writing now, because the rich and famous and well-connected would have had you sorted by now, one means or another.</p>
<p>I tend to agree with an earlier comment by the author himself &#8211; this isn&#8217;t necessarily about Labour per se. The likes of Stan Thomas would have attached themselves to whosoever held the power (and pursestrings) in Wales.  So much of what we find out has nothing to do with ideology, Left or Right, Unionist or Nationalist, Republican or Monarchist, Third Sector/Public or Private Sector. Jac hits the nail on the head in that it&#8217;s all about filthy lucre. These bloodsuckers would attach themselves to any side &#8211; all they are interested in is what they can get out of it themselves. But the Donkey Sanctuary in Cardiff Bay, led by a bunch of prize Asses, certainly provides fertile ground for these parasites to thrive.</p>
<p>Enough from me &#8211; keep up the good work!</p>
<p>PS &#8211; though I write under the name Stan, I am most definitely not the Pieman himself, though I am partial to a good Steak and Kidney.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 19:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21391&quot;&gt;treforus&lt;/a&gt;.

Yes, thanks for reminding us about the lack of a tendering process. I forgot to mention that. Maybe I&#039;ll add it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21391">treforus</a>.</p>
<p>Yes, thanks for reminding us about the lack of a tendering process. I forgot to mention that. Maybe I&#8217;ll add it.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 19:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21392&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

There is actually an Imperial House in Imperial Park. If you&#039;re right about a connection with the M4 project then two dates to bear in mind are: Imperial House Investments was Incorporated on November 30th, 2013; Redwina announced the choice of the &#039;Black Route&#039; in July 2014. 

And as was also revealed, the &#039;Welsh&#039; Government owns a considerable amount of land along the proposed route, Imperial Park being the old LG site.

It do make ew think, it do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development/#comment-21392">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>There is actually an Imperial House in Imperial Park. If you&#8217;re right about a connection with the M4 project then two dates to bear in mind are: Imperial House Investments was Incorporated on November 30th, 2013; Redwina announced the choice of the &#8216;Black Route&#8217; in July 2014. </p>
<p>And as was also revealed, the &#8216;Welsh&#8217; Government owns a considerable amount of land along the proposed route, Imperial Park being the old LG site.</p>
<p>It do make ew think, it do.</p>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You asked what for what reason Imperial House Investments Ltd was created. The most likely suspect is it being an abortive investment vehicle or a deal not yet finalised on a triangular chunk of land between the proposed ‘black route M4 relief road’ and the exiting M4, south east of Tredegar House, Newport. It’s currently called Imperial Park. The land in question is sandwiched between an existing Home Office building and an existing Welsh Government building. The value of this land would be significantly enhanced by the ‘black route’ as it will be on a new junction of the M4. Insider info on the black route would be required to make a killing on this one but Imperial Park is already designated as having Tier 2 status for grant aid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You asked what for what reason Imperial House Investments Ltd was created. The most likely suspect is it being an abortive investment vehicle or a deal not yet finalised on a triangular chunk of land between the proposed ‘black route M4 relief road’ and the exiting M4, south east of Tredegar House, Newport. It’s currently called Imperial Park. The land in question is sandwiched between an existing Home Office building and an existing Welsh Government building. The value of this land would be significantly enhanced by the ‘black route’ as it will be on a new junction of the M4. Insider info on the black route would be required to make a killing on this one but Imperial Park is already designated as having Tier 2 status for grant aid.</p>
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