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		By: Red Flag		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21431</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 12:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21430&quot;&gt;dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

In that case you have to support an armed faction,  which automatically makes the other factions and their supporters your enemy.   Otherwise there is no logic to your position.

So which group do you support - and by virtue, which groups do you therefore believe have to be militarily defeated and their supporters suppressed so that they in turn can&#039;t defeat your chosen group.

Because you can/t have it all ways - you have to decide which side you are on and saying &#039;the Kurds&#039; is a fanny option.  There is no such thing as a unified Kurdish position within the Kurds themselves and almost certainly never will be.

And incidentally, bombing civilians is within the rules - who do you think makes the weapons, stores the munitions,  treats the wounded, packs the rations etc etc etc.   The civilians in any conflict are just as much part of the war machine as the armed fighters.  In a prolonged conflict even more so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21430">dafis</a>.</p>
<p>In that case you have to support an armed faction,  which automatically makes the other factions and their supporters your enemy.   Otherwise there is no logic to your position.</p>
<p>So which group do you support &#8211; and by virtue, which groups do you therefore believe have to be militarily defeated and their supporters suppressed so that they in turn can&#8217;t defeat your chosen group.</p>
<p>Because you can/t have it all ways &#8211; you have to decide which side you are on and saying &#8216;the Kurds&#8217; is a fanny option.  There is no such thing as a unified Kurdish position within the Kurds themselves and almost certainly never will be.</p>
<p>And incidentally, bombing civilians is within the rules &#8211; who do you think makes the weapons, stores the munitions,  treats the wounded, packs the rations etc etc etc.   The civilians in any conflict are just as much part of the war machine as the armed fighters.  In a prolonged conflict even more so.</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2016 11:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21429&quot;&gt;Red Flag&lt;/a&gt;.

Doesn&#039;t matter how many Kurdish movements exist, the regular bombing of Kurdish communities by Turkish military is not an acceptable behaviour unless of course you subscribe to the NATO standard of duplicity. Turkey has carte blanche right now because the West sees it as some kind of bulwark against Russia and has done since days of Cold War.  Truth is that Russia hasn&#039;t really pushed on that front - if it ever did the Turks would fold like soggy cardboard. And now the EU is setting them up as a key player in dealing with Middle East refugee crisis, bit like sitting on a one legged stool !]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21429">Red Flag</a>.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t matter how many Kurdish movements exist, the regular bombing of Kurdish communities by Turkish military is not an acceptable behaviour unless of course you subscribe to the NATO standard of duplicity. Turkey has carte blanche right now because the West sees it as some kind of bulwark against Russia and has done since days of Cold War.  Truth is that Russia hasn&#8217;t really pushed on that front &#8211; if it ever did the Turks would fold like soggy cardboard. And now the EU is setting them up as a key player in dealing with Middle East refugee crisis, bit like sitting on a one legged stool !</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21429</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2016 17:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21418&quot;&gt;dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

All these well meaning buffoons fail to note that Turkey is waging its own dirty war ( against Kurds ) within Turkey and beyond its borders. 

Well meaning buffoons?   Turkey waging war on the Kurds?   Hmmmm.  Seems you don&#039;t realise that there are three distinct armed Kurdish groups, as bitterly opposed to each other as to anyone else,  and that Turkey helps fund and train one of them.

Other anomalies with regards the kurds are things such as one group fighting in Assad&#039;s army and loyal to Syria.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21418">dafis</a>.</p>
<p>All these well meaning buffoons fail to note that Turkey is waging its own dirty war ( against Kurds ) within Turkey and beyond its borders. </p>
<p>Well meaning buffoons?   Turkey waging war on the Kurds?   Hmmmm.  Seems you don&#8217;t realise that there are three distinct armed Kurdish groups, as bitterly opposed to each other as to anyone else,  and that Turkey helps fund and train one of them.</p>
<p>Other anomalies with regards the kurds are things such as one group fighting in Assad&#8217;s army and loyal to Syria.</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21424</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 09:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21423&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

maybe recruited through Turkey&#039;s secret services to commit atrocities in the West, just to keep the pot boiling ! Who knows what our so called security forces get up these days and the Turks have form when it comes to playing both ends against the middle. Ordinary folk end up suffering. No chance of ever getting real hard core truth on these matters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21423">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>maybe recruited through Turkey&#8217;s secret services to commit atrocities in the West, just to keep the pot boiling ! Who knows what our so called security forces get up these days and the Turks have form when it comes to playing both ends against the middle. Ordinary folk end up suffering. No chance of ever getting real hard core truth on these matters.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 07:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21422&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

Well, they would, wouldn&#039;t they.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21422">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>Well, they would, wouldn&#8217;t they.</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21422</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brychan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Mar 2016 03:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21418&quot;&gt;dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

Just an opportunity to point out that one of the trio who did the Brussels bombing had dual Belgium and Bahamas nationality according to the Interpol &#039;most wanted&#039; mugshot. The Bahamas is of course a British commonwealth country, and it&#039;s nationals are British subjects. A fact the English media appears to be ignoring.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21418">dafis</a>.</p>
<p>Just an opportunity to point out that one of the trio who did the Brussels bombing had dual Belgium and Bahamas nationality according to the Interpol &#8216;most wanted&#8217; mugshot. The Bahamas is of course a British commonwealth country, and it&#8217;s nationals are British subjects. A fact the English media appears to be ignoring.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21421</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 20:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21419&quot;&gt;Daley Gleephart&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039; not sure she played any role, but here&#039;s a link to the quote of hers I used. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35399951 And here&#039;s a bio http://gov.wales/about/cabinet/cabinetm/lesleygriffiths?lang=en]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21419">Daley Gleephart</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217; not sure she played any role, but here&#8217;s a link to the quote of hers I used. <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35399951" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-35399951</a> And here&#8217;s a bio <a href="http://gov.wales/about/cabinet/cabinetm/lesleygriffiths?lang=en" rel="nofollow ugc">http://gov.wales/about/cabinet/cabinetm/lesleygriffiths?lang=en</a></p>
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		By: treforus		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21420</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder if the Welsh Government have considered whether fiduciary duties have been breached. It&#039;s far easier to prove a breach than establish negligence.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if the Welsh Government have considered whether fiduciary duties have been breached. It&#8217;s far easier to prove a breach than establish negligence.</p>
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		By: Daley Gleephart		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21419</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Daley Gleephart]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 19:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21417&quot;&gt;dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

What role did Lesley Griffiths AM play in the land deals? I see that Jac has included an insert which appears to be part of a press release from the Minister for Communities and Tackling Poverty but is there more to it? It would be very odd for a Communities Minister to comment on matters outside of their remit.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21417">dafis</a>.</p>
<p>What role did Lesley Griffiths AM play in the land deals? I see that Jac has included an insert which appears to be part of a press release from the Minister for Communities and Tackling Poverty but is there more to it? It would be very odd for a Communities Minister to comment on matters outside of their remit.</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/pies-planes-property-development-2/#comment-21418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dafis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Mar 2016 18:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off topic, again, and apologies as I&#039;m becoming an habitual &quot;offender&quot; but have noticed today a growing tendency on assorted media for scribblers of the hand wringing school of thought to draw odd comparisons between events in Brussels and recent events in Istanbul &#038; elsewhere in Turkey. All these well meaning buffoons fail to note that Turkey is waging its own dirty war ( against Kurds ) within Turkey and beyond its borders. Thus I see Turkish behaviour as being more akin to that of ISIS/ISIL and certainly not worthy of comparison with the Belgian situation. Turkey has by its own direct actions set itself up for a dose of guerilla tactics and there is also a suspicion that some of the urban strikes are part of a dirty tricks campaign waged by its own security services in a devious attempt to keep the general populace &quot;on-side&quot;. 

Belgium is paying a heavy price for 

- participating in a EU driven long term immigration policy without limits or constraints. Parts of inner city Brussels and other major cities now closely resemble Middle Eastern communities. 

- closely aligning with NATO/US/UK/FR antics in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia.  

However they have no moral obligation to excuse any of this terrorist nonsense. A far more aggressive counter terror programme is entirely justified, but the Belgians should also be prepared to openly criticise the failed multi national agency approach which only serves the grand supra national bodies themselves and casts individual nations as fodder to be used up in the war on terror. The sooner the better  bodies like the UN, EU, NATO, get their wings clipped, stopping them being self propogating entities. 

Sorry about that but the steam was building up !!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic, again, and apologies as I&#8217;m becoming an habitual &#8220;offender&#8221; but have noticed today a growing tendency on assorted media for scribblers of the hand wringing school of thought to draw odd comparisons between events in Brussels and recent events in Istanbul &amp; elsewhere in Turkey. All these well meaning buffoons fail to note that Turkey is waging its own dirty war ( against Kurds ) within Turkey and beyond its borders. Thus I see Turkish behaviour as being more akin to that of ISIS/ISIL and certainly not worthy of comparison with the Belgian situation. Turkey has by its own direct actions set itself up for a dose of guerilla tactics and there is also a suspicion that some of the urban strikes are part of a dirty tricks campaign waged by its own security services in a devious attempt to keep the general populace &#8220;on-side&#8221;. </p>
<p>Belgium is paying a heavy price for </p>
<p>&#8211; participating in a EU driven long term immigration policy without limits or constraints. Parts of inner city Brussels and other major cities now closely resemble Middle Eastern communities. </p>
<p>&#8211; closely aligning with NATO/US/UK/FR antics in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria and Lybia.  </p>
<p>However they have no moral obligation to excuse any of this terrorist nonsense. A far more aggressive counter terror programme is entirely justified, but the Belgians should also be prepared to openly criticise the failed multi national agency approach which only serves the grand supra national bodies themselves and casts individual nations as fodder to be used up in the war on terror. The sooner the better  bodies like the UN, EU, NATO, get their wings clipped, stopping them being self propogating entities. </p>
<p>Sorry about that but the steam was building up !!!!!!!!!!</p>
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