Yes, the date, venue and format of the meeting has changed. Well done for keeping up. Though you’re wrong to suggest that there will be only 30 people attending. There will be many more than 30, all will be ‘invited’ (after they asked to attend), but not all are known to me, and many do not contribute to this blog. All of which tells us that you aren’t as clever as you think you are.

I don’t recall anyone predicting a Le Pen victory. A few people expressed respect or support, which is a different thing entirely. After that false memory episode you really let your hair down with . . .

“Wales needs a new party, with independence as its aim and, possibly, right of centre. But if you get it wrong at the launch then you’ll be pilloried as UKIP with a daffodil. The Left will hate you and the Right won’t want the competition. So don’t expect a smooth ride.

Restrained and simple policies that can be refined at a later date would be good. Telling people you’re going to dig up Owain Glyndwr, burn down the toll-gates at the Severn bridge and destroy the European Union will just make you look sad.”

The meeting on the 18th will lay the bare bones of a party, with the flesh being added after members are recruited, motions debated, and a leadership elected at a subsequent AGM. It will be that first AGM that really launches the party. So the chances of mammaries going vertical on the 18th is very slim.

Why the silly references to Owain Glyndŵr and toll-gates? Are these what you might suggest, because no one on the 18th will be spouting such nonsense?

One final thought: it seems you agree with what we’re doing, and you obviously have a lot to say for yourself, so why don’t you come on the 18th? You could play the role of “shouty obsessive”!

The original meeting was to be an open meeting about whether we needed a new party; this one a closed meeting about forming a new party.

What appears to be the reduced numbers of around 30 invited guests, presumably active contributors to this column, is not going to give you the range or depth of experience and vision required.

As an example of which you only have to look at the posts by some prominent contributors, who confidently predicted that Marine Le Pen would become President of France and destroy the EU in the process.
Despite the fact that anybody with the slightest grain of common sense knew that she wasn’t even going to win the Eurovision Song Contest.

In the event she came third (out of three), behind Macron and the people who refused to vote.

Wales needs a new party, with independence as its aim and, possibly, right of centre. But if you get it wrong at the launch then you’ll be pilloried as UKIP with a daffodil.
The Left will hate you and the Right won’t want the competition. So don’t expect a smooth ride.

One false step and it’ll all go mammaries vertical and you could end up killing off the idea for decades.

So best of luck with the launch, but please be careful. Don’t let the shouty obsessives guide your path.

Restrained and simple policies that can be refined at a later date would be good. Telling people you’re going to dig up Owain Glyndwr, burn down the toll-gates at the Severn bridge and destroy the European Union will just make you look sad.

Plaid is so desperate not to offend anybody that it puts itself in all sorts of ludicrous positions.

An e-mail is on its way.

Corbyn was told numerous times about the child abuse that was happening on an “industrial scale”, over the decades in Islington. Liz Davies, who was a Social worker in Islington, told Corbyn and Margaret Hodge numerous times, that there were effectively child brothels in Islington and that all the Children’s homes were infiltrated by child abusers. Geoffrey Dickens campaigned about the problems in Islington, but Corbyn told him not to interfere on his patch. Liz Davies is amazing, she has fought with great tenacity over the years to bring the horror of what was going on in Islington to light, when the borough has consistently tried to cover it up.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3181783/Did-Jeremy-Corbyn-try-protect-fellow-Left-wingers-implicated-paedophile-scandal.html

http://aanirfan.blogspot.dk/2015/08/corbyn-and-child-abuse.html

http://www.mann4bassetlaw.com/an_open_letter_to_jeremy_corbyn_on_child_abuse

https://lizdavies.net/campaigns-and-topics/islington-child-abuse-scandal/

Vaz is another slippery character who appears to be made of Teflon, no doubt, because he probably knows where all the dirt is, having spent years as a solicitor for the Labour Councils and as a prospective Labour MP in the boroughs of Islington and Richmond, when child abuse there was rife.

https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/02/15/keith-vaz-and-the-mystery-of-barnes-common/

Yes, it’s damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

If… was it 2/3rds? of member states decide that Spain has breached (or does breach) Article 2. You could be assuming they would not vote that way which takes us back to my point about turning a blind eye. Lets face it they’ve probably already been warned behind the scenes that they could end up being pulled up on it if they carry on with their present course.

I think you’re assuming that no matter what happens the EU will not invoke Article 2, and even if they do other members will not produce the required votes. But if public opinion goes contrary to that… well it makes the Lisbon Treaty and the EU Constitution less law and more just a piece of paper no one believes in.

Please explain how the EU can threaten Spain with suspension. Where does the EU have the power to suspend a member state? I highlighted the relevant parts of the Lisbon Treaty in my post on the ‘Silence of the lambs …’ thread.