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		By: Perry Johnson		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-47131</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jun 2025 20:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Close, but no cigar! <img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/1f44d.png" alt="👍" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" />
tried to buy you a coffee but wouldn’t accept my postcode. Funny that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Close, but no cigar! 👍<br />
tried to buy you a coffee but wouldn’t accept my postcode. Funny that.</p>
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		By: Ali Chaplin		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-31556</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2018 16:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was very much interested in the connections you have made in your articles to the British Virgin Islands and trees.

There does appear to be something in the water in BVI as I know another company who previously owned this site has sold it&#039;s opencast mining interests to companies there - all named after trees.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26245865

• Twitter: @georgemonbiot. A fully referenced version of this article can be found at Monbiot.com – Article published I believe in The Guardian

I quote a passage from one of the articles

In 2010 Celtic Energy sold the land rights, and the liabilities, at East Pit, Margam and two other mines, to a company in the British Virgin Islands called Oak Regeneration, for £1 a mine. Oak Regeneration then passed the liabilities to Pine Regeneration, Beech Regeneration and Ash Regeneration, none of which appear to have the assets required for restoration. Five senior executives at Celtic Energy walked away with benefits worth more than £10m]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very much interested in the connections you have made in your articles to the British Virgin Islands and trees.</p>
<p>There does appear to be something in the water in BVI as I know another company who previously owned this site has sold it&#8217;s opencast mining interests to companies there &#8211; all named after trees.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26245865" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-26245865</a></p>
<p>• Twitter: @georgemonbiot. A fully referenced version of this article can be found at Monbiot.com – Article published I believe in The Guardian</p>
<p>I quote a passage from one of the articles</p>
<p>In 2010 Celtic Energy sold the land rights, and the liabilities, at East Pit, Margam and two other mines, to a company in the British Virgin Islands called Oak Regeneration, for £1 a mine. Oak Regeneration then passed the liabilities to Pine Regeneration, Beech Regeneration and Ash Regeneration, none of which appear to have the assets required for restoration. Five senior executives at Celtic Energy walked away with benefits worth more than £10m</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-28730</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Nov 2017 00:32:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-28729&quot;&gt;Kelly&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you, Kelly. I&#039;d be grateful for any info you can find.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-28729">Kelly</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you, Kelly. I&#8217;d be grateful for any info you can find.</p>
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		By: Kelly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Nov 2017 23:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was in school, I did A level geography - part of our course was to study new developments (be it housing or commercial developments) Luckily for us, a major new housing development was in the planning stages and we were invited along to Merthyr Tydfil Football Club to witness the unveiling of the plans for the brand new Merthyr Village... The Merthyr Village site (which is where this proposed leisure village is going...) was going to have HUNDREDS of new homes (I seem to remember 800 being the number that was passed around but I may be remembering incorrectly - this was a looooong time ago!!!) A number of local councillors were present at this “unveiling” - and they were all terribly excited at the prospect of this new housing estate coming to the town. One elderly male councillor (I believe he was the councillor for Abercanaid) asked me for my thoughts on the proposed development. I told him that the houses looked lovely... but would be far too expensive for me as I would be a first time buyer. He said “well that’s why you need to get yourself a good husband. A man who can buy you a nice little house” ???? I wish I could remember that councillors name! At the time I remember thinking “why exactly are there councillors here pushing this?” The houses hadn’t been given the go ahead yet (as far as I was aware!) and there had to be major site surveys conducted first. As it turned out, they couldn’t do any building on the site because it was once an area that had been extensively coal mined and there were massive holes popping up everywhere! 
There is definitely something fishy going on... I will be spending most of the evening trying to find out who the bloody hell these people are and why they’re so keen to stick a sodding ski slope in a town that has already had a ski slope which FAILED.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in school, I did A level geography &#8211; part of our course was to study new developments (be it housing or commercial developments) Luckily for us, a major new housing development was in the planning stages and we were invited along to Merthyr Tydfil Football Club to witness the unveiling of the plans for the brand new Merthyr Village&#8230; The Merthyr Village site (which is where this proposed leisure village is going&#8230;) was going to have HUNDREDS of new homes (I seem to remember 800 being the number that was passed around but I may be remembering incorrectly &#8211; this was a looooong time ago!!!) A number of local councillors were present at this “unveiling” &#8211; and they were all terribly excited at the prospect of this new housing estate coming to the town. One elderly male councillor (I believe he was the councillor for Abercanaid) asked me for my thoughts on the proposed development. I told him that the houses looked lovely&#8230; but would be far too expensive for me as I would be a first time buyer. He said “well that’s why you need to get yourself a good husband. A man who can buy you a nice little house” ???? I wish I could remember that councillors name! At the time I remember thinking “why exactly are there councillors here pushing this?” The houses hadn’t been given the go ahead yet (as far as I was aware!) and there had to be major site surveys conducted first. As it turned out, they couldn’t do any building on the site because it was once an area that had been extensively coal mined and there were massive holes popping up everywhere!<br />
There is definitely something fishy going on&#8230; I will be spending most of the evening trying to find out who the bloody hell these people are and why they’re so keen to stick a sodding ski slope in a town that has already had a ski slope which FAILED.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27997</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 17:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27995&quot;&gt;Earthshaker&lt;/a&gt;.

There has been some activity on Twitter today from a couple of tweeters connected with the football club, alerting others to certain individuals being connected with both the club and the ski slope. Perhaps an example of how social media is taking over from traditional outlets.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27995">Earthshaker</a>.</p>
<p>There has been some activity on Twitter today from a couple of tweeters connected with the football club, alerting others to certain individuals being connected with both the club and the ski slope. Perhaps an example of how social media is taking over from traditional outlets.</p>
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		By: Earthshaker		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27995</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Sep 2017 15:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good work on both articles, this stinks to high heaven.

But to be honest no one knows much about this in Merthyr as hardly anyone reads the Western Mail or the Merthyr Express anymore and if they did the reaction would be great more zero hours jobs (that&#039;s not sarcasm by the way) Valleys folk expectations are so low, this type of developments excites them.

And given that the plans are at so early a stage, is Sion Barry&#039;s article kite flying to see what the reaction would be to building on unsafe land with mine shafts etc?

Talking of Ski Slopes, an artificial Ski Slope was built in Pentrebach, not far from the Hoover Factory years ago and was a big flop, why do the new developers think this will be any more successful?
 
Sadly Merthyr doesn&#039;t need more of this, there&#039;s already a monstrosity being built with Trago Mills from a bunged land deal from 20 odd years ago. Trago Mills is the Cornish retailer, but its essentially a giant pound shop, with craft tat and kids rides. It&#039;ll kill the new retail parks dead and the town centre probably as well as create massive traffic problems on the A470 and around the town, but the local Independents who now run the Council have given it their blessing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work on both articles, this stinks to high heaven.</p>
<p>But to be honest no one knows much about this in Merthyr as hardly anyone reads the Western Mail or the Merthyr Express anymore and if they did the reaction would be great more zero hours jobs (that&#8217;s not sarcasm by the way) Valleys folk expectations are so low, this type of developments excites them.</p>
<p>And given that the plans are at so early a stage, is Sion Barry&#8217;s article kite flying to see what the reaction would be to building on unsafe land with mine shafts etc?</p>
<p>Talking of Ski Slopes, an artificial Ski Slope was built in Pentrebach, not far from the Hoover Factory years ago and was a big flop, why do the new developers think this will be any more successful?</p>
<p>Sadly Merthyr doesn&#8217;t need more of this, there&#8217;s already a monstrosity being built with Trago Mills from a bunged land deal from 20 odd years ago. Trago Mills is the Cornish retailer, but its essentially a giant pound shop, with craft tat and kids rides. It&#8217;ll kill the new retail parks dead and the town centre probably as well as create massive traffic problems on the A470 and around the town, but the local Independents who now run the Council have given it their blessing.</p>
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		By: Le Gallois Fou		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2017 18:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27928&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/big-coal-keep-it-in-the-ground-energy-opencast-mines]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27928">Jac</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/big-coal-keep-it-in-the-ground-energy-opencast-mines" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/apr/28/big-coal-keep-it-in-the-ground-energy-opencast-mines</a></p>
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		By: CambroUiDunlainge		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Sep 2017 22:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27950&quot;&gt;Trailorboy&lt;/a&gt;.

Aristocracy are like anyone... you do have good ones and bad ones. Just like you have good and bad people. What I don&#039;t approve of is that the English supplanted the Welsh more than anything. I think we all try to keep what we have... and unless we&#039;re going to be like Soviet Russia where everyone had the same stuff and there was little incentive to go into more difficult professions (look at it this way... not everyone can be a Doctor). The system is far from perfect but there will always be a pyramid and always people on the bottom. There will always be poverty. But I don&#039;t think those aristocratic families will be rich forever... as I said about the Welsh families before them, they got replaced... as much as there is upward mobility there&#039;s also downward mobility.

The wheel keeps spinning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27950">Trailorboy</a>.</p>
<p>Aristocracy are like anyone&#8230; you do have good ones and bad ones. Just like you have good and bad people. What I don&#8217;t approve of is that the English supplanted the Welsh more than anything. I think we all try to keep what we have&#8230; and unless we&#8217;re going to be like Soviet Russia where everyone had the same stuff and there was little incentive to go into more difficult professions (look at it this way&#8230; not everyone can be a Doctor). The system is far from perfect but there will always be a pyramid and always people on the bottom. There will always be poverty. But I don&#8217;t think those aristocratic families will be rich forever&#8230; as I said about the Welsh families before them, they got replaced&#8230; as much as there is upward mobility there&#8217;s also downward mobility.</p>
<p>The wheel keeps spinning.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27952&quot;&gt;Karen&lt;/a&gt;.

I see the point you&#039;re making, but in the case you&#039;re referring to the principals were known.

With the Merthyr ski slope we don&#039;t know who&#039;s behind it. If it&#039;s Large, then why does he need this convoluted trail to hide the ultimate owners? The fact there is this convoluted trail suggests Large may simply be a front man.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27952">Karen</a>.</p>
<p>I see the point you&#8217;re making, but in the case you&#8217;re referring to the principals were known.</p>
<p>With the Merthyr ski slope we don&#8217;t know who&#8217;s behind it. If it&#8217;s Large, then why does he need this convoluted trail to hide the ultimate owners? The fact there is this convoluted trail suggests Large may simply be a front man.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Sep 2017 16:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27953&quot;&gt;Alan Evans&lt;/a&gt;.

What this about, I wonder?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/merthyr-ski-slope/#comment-27953">Alan Evans</a>.</p>
<p>What this about, I wonder?</p>
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