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		By: daidraig		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-25119</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2017 07:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to her LinkedIn profile, Michaela Beddows lives in Dafen, not Llangennech.  Dafen is on the edge of Llanelli where I imagine there is a choice of other schools in any case.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to her LinkedIn profile, Michaela Beddows lives in Dafen, not Llangennech.  Dafen is on the edge of Llanelli where I imagine there is a choice of other schools in any case.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2016 12:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Learning Welsh is not the Key to employment. Just look at the CCC and other organisations on their employment record with regard to the ability to communicate in Welsh]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Learning Welsh is not the Key to employment. Just look at the CCC and other organisations on their employment record with regard to the ability to communicate in Welsh</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2016 09:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Blah, blah, blah . . . 

I suppose you&#039;d prefer a world where everyone&#039;s thoughts and speech are controlled &amp; monitored - where everyone &quot;knows their place&quot;. A world where only the privileged have the luxury of a platform to  express their views - usually to the detriment of the majority

Freedom of speech is the right to communicate one&#039;s opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation or censorship. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.

Governments restrict speech with varying limitations (usually by the imposition of laws suited to their goals). Common limitations on speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, political correctness, public security, public order, public nuisance, campaign finance reform, perjury, and oppression. Whether these limitations can be justified under the harm principle depends upon whether influencing a third party&#039;s opinions or actions adversely to the second party constitutes such harm or not. Governmental and other compulsory organizations often have policies restricting the freedom of speech for political reasons, for example, speech codes in schools.

The term &quot;offense principle&quot; is also used to expand the range of free speech limitations to prohibit forms of expression where they are considered offensive to society, special interest groups or individuals. For example, freedom of speech is limited in many jurisdictions to widely differing degrees by religious legal systems, religious offense or incitement to ethnic or racial hatred laws.

The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that &quot;&lt;strong&gt;everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference&quot; and &quot;everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice&lt;/strong&gt;&quot;.

But I suppose you wouldn&#039;t agree with that would you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blah, blah, blah . . . </p>
<p>I suppose you&#8217;d prefer a world where everyone&#8217;s thoughts and speech are controlled &#038; monitored &#8211; where everyone &#8220;knows their place&#8221;. A world where only the privileged have the luxury of a platform to  express their views &#8211; usually to the detriment of the majority</p>
<p>Freedom of speech is the right to communicate one&#8217;s opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation or censorship. The term freedom of expression is sometimes used synonymously, but includes any act of seeking, receiving and imparting information or ideas, regardless of the medium used.</p>
<p>Governments restrict speech with varying limitations (usually by the imposition of laws suited to their goals). Common limitations on speech relate to libel, slander, obscenity, pornography, sedition, incitement, fighting words, classified information, copyright violation, trade secrets, non-disclosure agreements, right to privacy, right to be forgotten, political correctness, public security, public order, public nuisance, campaign finance reform, perjury, and oppression. Whether these limitations can be justified under the harm principle depends upon whether influencing a third party&#8217;s opinions or actions adversely to the second party constitutes such harm or not. Governmental and other compulsory organizations often have policies restricting the freedom of speech for political reasons, for example, speech codes in schools.</p>
<p>The term &#8220;offense principle&#8221; is also used to expand the range of free speech limitations to prohibit forms of expression where they are considered offensive to society, special interest groups or individuals. For example, freedom of speech is limited in many jurisdictions to widely differing degrees by religious legal systems, religious offense or incitement to ethnic or racial hatred laws.</p>
<p>The right to freedom of expression is recognized as a human right under article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 19 of the ICCPR states that &#8220;<strong>everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference&#8221; and &#8220;everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his choice</strong>&#8220;.</p>
<p>But I suppose you wouldn&#8217;t agree with that would you?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22204</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 17:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One worrying aspect here is that a very small group of like- minded and, to be frank, deeply unpleasant individuals, have, thanks to social media,been given the platform to post personal, unsubstantiated and, in a number of cases, litigious claims against a group of professionals whose hard work, committment and integrity should never have been called into question. Let&#039;s hope that the children whose so- called &quot; cause&quot; they are espousing grow up to have more dignity and self- discipline. Social media has many advantages, but like most other things, when used by foolish people, it can cause much unnecessary damage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One worrying aspect here is that a very small group of like- minded and, to be frank, deeply unpleasant individuals, have, thanks to social media,been given the platform to post personal, unsubstantiated and, in a number of cases, litigious claims against a group of professionals whose hard work, committment and integrity should never have been called into question. Let&#8217;s hope that the children whose so- called &#8221; cause&#8221; they are espousing grow up to have more dignity and self- discipline. Social media has many advantages, but like most other things, when used by foolish people, it can cause much unnecessary damage.</p>
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		By: SPACCI		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22098&quot;&gt;Jennifer Brown (@JenGwenBrown)&lt;/a&gt;.

Welsh language = Nazism claxon.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22098">Jennifer Brown (@JenGwenBrown)</a>.</p>
<p>Welsh language = Nazism claxon.</p>
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		By: Marconatrix		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22121</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marconatrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2016 04:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22092&quot;&gt;Sibrydionmawr&lt;/a&gt;.

The Beeb have since admitted that the program was unbalanced and made unsupported allegations about costs etc. There´s an official apology somewhere online, sorry I didn´t save the reference.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22092">Sibrydionmawr</a>.</p>
<p>The Beeb have since admitted that the program was unbalanced and made unsupported allegations about costs etc. There´s an official apology somewhere online, sorry I didn´t save the reference.</p>
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		By: Marconatrix		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22120</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jun 2016 03:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22100&quot;&gt;Big Gee&lt;/a&gt;.

Diolch yn fawr am hynny, mi fydda i yn ei darllen. 

If OTOH you want to know exactly how NOT to do it, then this essay about Irish that I´m in the middle of reading is not a bad start : 
http://www.anghaeltacht.net/ctg/altveritas.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22100">Big Gee</a>.</p>
<p>Diolch yn fawr am hynny, mi fydda i yn ei darllen. </p>
<p>If OTOH you want to know exactly how NOT to do it, then this essay about Irish that I´m in the middle of reading is not a bad start :<br />
<a href="http://www.anghaeltacht.net/ctg/altveritas.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.anghaeltacht.net/ctg/altveritas.htm</a></p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Big Gee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 14:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You, Jennifer, I&#039;m sorry to say, are only examining and passing comments on a small area of canvas (in a highly emotive but inaccurate way) in an otherwise much larger picture. You need to view the larger picture in the correct context - it has nothing to do with being an &#039;expert&#039;. However before going off on a tangent and posting assumptions, you should make yourself &#039;properly informed&#039; THEN make your comments.

Have you read the information that I linked to at http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm ? 

The education system in Wales from 1870 to the present day is based on assimilation and linguistic/ cultural genocide - in a slow but very determined way. It is a very well documented process that can also be seen today in places like Tibet, (I&#039;m sure you would immediately jump to the Tibetan cause without batting an eyelid). It has been the weapon of assimilation and control by other empires, more specifically the English/ Russian/ Spanish/ Dutch/ American etc.  empires for centuries. Break down the colonised country&#039;s culture, language and history by superseding it with your own.  Then wipe out all traces of the nation you have assimilated. Refer to Indigenous North American tribes, Australian Aboriginies, Polynesian tribes (esp. the Maori) etc. etc. etc. Usually in the name of civilisation and progress. Is what we see today in a &#039;civilised&#039; world based on the good works of those empires? Decide on which side you should be on from a moral, just and fair point of view. 

You are viewing the basic nuts and bolts of a current situation in Llangennech, which you are attributing to some kind of nationalistic plot - that&#039;s what I mean when I say you are just judging on your blinkered vision of a postage sized area of canvas. Other idiots on this blog have even suggested that WE are the bigoted lot that are deliberately making ourselves the victim in a modern age where no one is suffering. 

It is not as simplistic as you are lead to believe. What your protest group is trying to do is provide a simplistic answer to a very complex question which is far above your heads, and dates back to the end of the nineteenth century, when it comes to the educating of our children.

You are trying to defend the indefensible, and instead of seeing the plight of the victims, you are blindly running with the victimisers through ignorance and arrogance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You, Jennifer, I&#8217;m sorry to say, are only examining and passing comments on a small area of canvas (in a highly emotive but inaccurate way) in an otherwise much larger picture. You need to view the larger picture in the correct context &#8211; it has nothing to do with being an &#8216;expert&#8217;. However before going off on a tangent and posting assumptions, you should make yourself &#8216;properly informed&#8217; THEN make your comments.</p>
<p>Have you read the information that I linked to at <a href="http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm</a> ? </p>
<p>The education system in Wales from 1870 to the present day is based on assimilation and linguistic/ cultural genocide &#8211; in a slow but very determined way. It is a very well documented process that can also be seen today in places like Tibet, (I&#8217;m sure you would immediately jump to the Tibetan cause without batting an eyelid). It has been the weapon of assimilation and control by other empires, more specifically the English/ Russian/ Spanish/ Dutch/ American etc.  empires for centuries. Break down the colonised country&#8217;s culture, language and history by superseding it with your own.  Then wipe out all traces of the nation you have assimilated. Refer to Indigenous North American tribes, Australian Aboriginies, Polynesian tribes (esp. the Maori) etc. etc. etc. Usually in the name of civilisation and progress. Is what we see today in a &#8216;civilised&#8217; world based on the good works of those empires? Decide on which side you should be on from a moral, just and fair point of view. </p>
<p>You are viewing the basic nuts and bolts of a current situation in Llangennech, which you are attributing to some kind of nationalistic plot &#8211; that&#8217;s what I mean when I say you are just judging on your blinkered vision of a postage sized area of canvas. Other idiots on this blog have even suggested that WE are the bigoted lot that are deliberately making ourselves the victim in a modern age where no one is suffering. </p>
<p>It is not as simplistic as you are lead to believe. What your protest group is trying to do is provide a simplistic answer to a very complex question which is far above your heads, and dates back to the end of the nineteenth century, when it comes to the educating of our children.</p>
<p>You are trying to defend the indefensible, and instead of seeing the plight of the victims, you are blindly running with the victimisers through ignorance and arrogance.</p>
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		By: Big Gee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 11:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22090&quot;&gt;Marconatrix&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;. . . . . .  &lt;em&gt;this is a conundrum that cannot be solved, until we change the education system in Wales from top to bottom.&lt;/em&gt;&quot;

The background and  key to the top to bottom solution is here:

http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm

Don&#039;t just read the words, think about it and digest the contents.

If we were a &#039;normal&#039; country we would have a Welsh citizen arrangement where anyone who wishes to be a citizen of Wales needs to swear an oath of allegiance (as they do in other countries). They would have to have an accepted command of the language and a proven knowledge of our history and culture.

Most are in agreement that immigrants into the UK should have a proven command of the English language - we hear this from English politicians from Westminster almost daily these days - especially when it comes to the victimization of the Muslim community. Mention that in the Welsh context and you&#039;re immediately labelled as a xenophobic racist, Nazi or worse. What&#039;s good for the goose should obviously be good enough for the gander.

Such a system would certainly thin out the colonisers and the ignorant/ arrogant parents of children who believe their children have a God given right to have access to English schools (or so called &#039;bilingual&#039; but English dominated schools) wherever they may live.  ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/llangennech-a-tale-of-two-campaigns-by-a-guest-writer/#comment-22090">Marconatrix</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;. . . . . .  <em>this is a conundrum that cannot be solved, until we change the education system in Wales from top to bottom.</em>&#8221;</p>
<p>The background and  key to the top to bottom solution is here:</p>
<p><a href="http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sccambria.com/essays/erth-add_saesneg.htm</a></p>
<p>Don&#8217;t just read the words, think about it and digest the contents.</p>
<p>If we were a &#8216;normal&#8217; country we would have a Welsh citizen arrangement where anyone who wishes to be a citizen of Wales needs to swear an oath of allegiance (as they do in other countries). They would have to have an accepted command of the language and a proven knowledge of our history and culture.</p>
<p>Most are in agreement that immigrants into the UK should have a proven command of the English language &#8211; we hear this from English politicians from Westminster almost daily these days &#8211; especially when it comes to the victimization of the Muslim community. Mention that in the Welsh context and you&#8217;re immediately labelled as a xenophobic racist, Nazi or worse. What&#8217;s good for the goose should obviously be good enough for the gander.</p>
<p>Such a system would certainly thin out the colonisers and the ignorant/ arrogant parents of children who believe their children have a God given right to have access to English schools (or so called &#8216;bilingual&#8217; but English dominated schools) wherever they may live.  </p>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jun 2016 10:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Surely if it&#039;s felt children mixing at break time will so drastically destroy the Welsh language and this must be prevented at all costs what else will have to take place to safeguard the true Welsh language.  Encouraging Welsh speaking parents to demonise the English speaking parents and their offspring to their own children to prevent them playing together outside school? In this day and age you cannot get away from the English speaking media; there&#039;s no way of preventing children hearing the English language or Welsh that&#039;s not up to the standard the Welsh language lobby would like us all to learn.  To have an opinion on a subject people need not be experts in it. Experience counts for a lot.  Nationalism is on the rise it seems in Wales and other countries by way separating people off from one another by religion, race, color or as here language.  Children are like sponges and ripe for indoctrination as happened in Germany and China where they were turned against parents even if they did not follow the &quot;party&quot; philosophy.  I am no expert in this but have a right to express an opinion and have witnessed anti English actions by some who classed themselves as Welsh while others made no judgements based on nationality alone.  One thing I know is power is gained by pitting people against each other, making scapegoats to carry the blame for all the ills affecting a country.  Llangennech community seems to be pretty integrated from what I can tell so why stir up problems where none existed before.  Most languages change and develop and should not be controlled by dogma as a means to a political end.  Live and let live! I left school at 15 but have not stopped learning from my own and other people&#039;s experiences.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely if it&#8217;s felt children mixing at break time will so drastically destroy the Welsh language and this must be prevented at all costs what else will have to take place to safeguard the true Welsh language.  Encouraging Welsh speaking parents to demonise the English speaking parents and their offspring to their own children to prevent them playing together outside school? In this day and age you cannot get away from the English speaking media; there&#8217;s no way of preventing children hearing the English language or Welsh that&#8217;s not up to the standard the Welsh language lobby would like us all to learn.  To have an opinion on a subject people need not be experts in it. Experience counts for a lot.  Nationalism is on the rise it seems in Wales and other countries by way separating people off from one another by religion, race, color or as here language.  Children are like sponges and ripe for indoctrination as happened in Germany and China where they were turned against parents even if they did not follow the &#8220;party&#8221; philosophy.  I am no expert in this but have a right to express an opinion and have witnessed anti English actions by some who classed themselves as Welsh while others made no judgements based on nationality alone.  One thing I know is power is gained by pitting people against each other, making scapegoats to carry the blame for all the ills affecting a country.  Llangennech community seems to be pretty integrated from what I can tell so why stir up problems where none existed before.  Most languages change and develop and should not be controlled by dogma as a means to a political end.  Live and let live! I left school at 15 but have not stopped learning from my own and other people&#8217;s experiences.</p>
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