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		By: KB		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44175</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[KB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Oct 2023 10:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44131&quot;&gt;Jonathan Dean&lt;/a&gt;.

&quot;&lt;span&gt;the rest just happen&quot; &lt;/span&gt;
If that was true, every petition that got 5,000 signatures would go on to reach 450,000 (and counting).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44131">Jonathan Dean</a>.</p>
<p>&#8220;<span>the rest just happen&#8221; </span><br />
If that was true, every petition that got 5,000 signatures would go on to reach 450,000 (and counting).</p>
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		By: Curious Taff		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Sep 2023 09:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As a curious South Walian I am wondering what&#039;s happening with Politics in North Wales and in particular what&#039;s happening with former MP then MS now Lord Dafydd Elis Thomas? Has he left Welsh Labour? Has he been accepted back into Plaid Cymru? Has he revealed his position on any new issues he could concentrate on for the remainder of his latest born once again career? This Labour / Plaid Cymru co-operation deal benefits Labour more than Plaid. It&#039;s all about securing possibly just three Senedd jobs for the Plaid Cymru leadership - maybe one Cabinet Minister seat and two Deputy Minister seats. Is he after one of those seats. That deal for crumbs, if it&#039;s done, will mean nothing for Wales and us its people We the Welsh people deserve a whole loaf not a stale bun. It will be all about keeping Welsh Labour in power forever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a curious South Walian I am wondering what&#8217;s happening with Politics in North Wales and in particular what&#8217;s happening with former MP then MS now Lord Dafydd Elis Thomas? Has he left Welsh Labour? Has he been accepted back into Plaid Cymru? Has he revealed his position on any new issues he could concentrate on for the remainder of his latest born once again career? This Labour / Plaid Cymru co-operation deal benefits Labour more than Plaid. It&#8217;s all about securing possibly just three Senedd jobs for the Plaid Cymru leadership &#8211; maybe one Cabinet Minister seat and two Deputy Minister seats. Is he after one of those seats. That deal for crumbs, if it&#8217;s done, will mean nothing for Wales and us its people We the Welsh people deserve a whole loaf not a stale bun. It will be all about keeping Welsh Labour in power forever.</p>
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		By: Rob		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44150</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2023 15:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44149&quot;&gt;David Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

Meaning]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44149">David Smith</a>.</p>
<p>Meaning</p>
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		By: David Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44143&quot;&gt;Robert&lt;/a&gt;.

Well Jac has addressed how the Senedd is in no way independence-lite or some kind of precursor many a time on this here blog, so why not dive in? You may even learn some literary skills along the way too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44143">Robert</a>.</p>
<p>Well Jac has addressed how the Senedd is in no way independence-lite or some kind of precursor many a time on this here blog, so why not dive in? You may even learn some literary skills along the way too!</p>
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		By: Cynical Observer		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44145</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44137&quot;&gt;Simon&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;strong&gt;If Deputy Minister Lee Waters of WAG &lt;/strong&gt;is going to that “Twenty is Plenty” bunfight in Scotland he might as well pop in to one of the Wind Turbines complexes that are making the news north of the border. He would have a good welcome from his presumed Scottish butties in Bute Energy.
&lt;strong&gt;BUTE ENERGY&lt;/strong&gt;&#160;is a Scottish &#039;wind energy outfit&#039; based in Cardiff, that is poised to take vast advantage of Wales Labour Government&#039;s Zero Carbon Policies (in co-operation with Plaid Cymru) to cover Wales with massive erratic Wind Turbines complexes, with their associated Pylons, to desecrate Wales&#039; landscape to send power to England. Bute will be fully aware of what&#039;s happening in Scotland. The Teachers&#039; Pension Scheme has just invested many millions of £ pounds into Bute Energy whilst Bute Energy has no track record of ever yet building one single Wind Turbine! No doubt the basic motive, as in Scotland, is to make billions of £ pounds (see below) and not &#039;saving the planet&#039;. That&#039;s the reality of&#160;&#039;green&#039; business.
If you have time&#160;&lt;strong&gt;open the LINK&lt;/strong&gt;&#160;below to see exactly what&#039;s going on in Scotland (it may be slow opening) :-
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/scottish-wind-farm-accused-of-using-net-zero-loophole-to-make-647-million-5497857?src_src=uk_morningbriefnoe&#038;src_cmp=uk_mb-2023-09-26&#038;est=ODp%2F84v3yClL9imXie5wKScjH8UHMyDYrI8u%2FN7eesj0bCCGe9gaePs400NbUhaYUpMB&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/scottish-wind-farm-accused-of-using-net-zero-loophole-to-make-647-million-5497857?src_src=uk_morningbriefnoe&#038;src_cmp=uk_mb-2023-09-26&#038;est=ODp%2F84v3yClL9imXie5wKScjH8UHMyDYrI8u%2FN7eesj0bCCGe9gaePs400NbUhaYUpMB&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44137">Simon</a>.</p>
<p><strong>If Deputy Minister Lee Waters of WAG </strong>is going to that “Twenty is Plenty” bunfight in Scotland he might as well pop in to one of the Wind Turbines complexes that are making the news north of the border. He would have a good welcome from his presumed Scottish butties in Bute Energy.<br />
<strong>BUTE ENERGY</strong>&nbsp;is a Scottish &#8216;wind energy outfit&#8217; based in Cardiff, that is poised to take vast advantage of Wales Labour Government&#8217;s Zero Carbon Policies (in co-operation with Plaid Cymru) to cover Wales with massive erratic Wind Turbines complexes, with their associated Pylons, to desecrate Wales&#8217; landscape to send power to England. Bute will be fully aware of what&#8217;s happening in Scotland. The Teachers&#8217; Pension Scheme has just invested many millions of £ pounds into Bute Energy whilst Bute Energy has no track record of ever yet building one single Wind Turbine! No doubt the basic motive, as in Scotland, is to make billions of £ pounds (see below) and not &#8216;saving the planet&#8217;. That&#8217;s the reality of&nbsp;&#8216;green&#8217; business.<br />
If you have time&nbsp;<strong>open the LINK</strong>&nbsp;below to see exactly what&#8217;s going on in Scotland (it may be slow opening) :-<br />
<a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/scottish-wind-farm-accused-of-using-net-zero-loophole-to-make-647-million-5497857?src_src=uk_morningbriefnoe&amp;src_cmp=uk_mb-2023-09-26&amp;est=ODp%2F84v3yClL9imXie5wKScjH8UHMyDYrI8u%2FN7eesj0bCCGe9gaePs400NbUhaYUpMB" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc"><strong><u><a href="https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/scottish-wind-farm-accused-of-using-net-zero-loophole-to-make-647-million-5497857?src_src=uk_morningbriefnoe&#038;src_cmp=uk_mb-2023-09-26&#038;est=ODp%2F84v3yClL9imXie5wKScjH8UHMyDYrI8u%2FN7eesj0bCCGe9gaePs400NbUhaYUpMB" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/scottish-wind-farm-accused-of-using-net-zero-loophole-to-make-647-million-5497857?src_src=uk_morningbriefnoe&#038;src_cmp=uk_mb-2023-09-26&#038;est=ODp%2F84v3yClL9imXie5wKScjH8UHMyDYrI8u%2FN7eesj0bCCGe9gaePs400NbUhaYUpMB</a></u></strong></a></p>
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		By: Robert		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44143</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2023 10:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44124&quot;&gt;David Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

Not really, I agree that some national polices does not help Wales, But take away those issues and we still be off far worse under total independence, As you can see with the recent 20mph law more of these idiotic laws worsen the Welsh economy]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44124">David Smith</a>.</p>
<p>Not really, I agree that some national polices does not help Wales, But take away those issues and we still be off far worse under total independence, As you can see with the recent 20mph law more of these idiotic laws worsen the Welsh economy</p>
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		By: David Smith		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44140</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 23:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44135&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

What sort of pisses over every poll result against independence in Scotland is a simple exercise in logical thinking, thus. If the British government really did think it would win referendum round 2, it would call the SNP&#039;s bluff and let them have one, knowing the issue will be stone dead for a lifetime come victory.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44135">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>What sort of pisses over every poll result against independence in Scotland is a simple exercise in logical thinking, thus. If the British government really did think it would win referendum round 2, it would call the SNP&#8217;s bluff and let them have one, knowing the issue will be stone dead for a lifetime come victory.</p>
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		By: Ioan Richard		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44138</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ioan Richard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 18:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[From Ioan Richard&#160;in Swansea - 80 yrs old and once a Steel Company of Wales SCOW employee for 14 years (way back in time) in the SCOW Cold Mills (Velindre &#038; Trostre). Sometimes, as major power consumers, we had to stop Rolling Steel for short periods of time, due to National Grid power supply issues - it was called &#039;Load Shedding&#039; then - but that was rare.&#160;
I spotted this TATA Press Release in&#160;&lt;strong&gt;LINK&#160;below&lt;/strong&gt;&#160;just before last Christmas on 15-12-22 - a good time to release bad news that will not be broadcast or printed due to the festivities. Please read it. It means that they realise the Grid will get &#039;wobbly&#039; in future due to intermittent Renewable Energy supplies at times when there is no wind. In New Year 2023 I attempted to get newspapers in Wales to feature this but too my knowledge they have never published details of this procedure which is due to come about&#160;to avoid blackouts. TATA will get generously compensated but it will add costs for us the energy consumers.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/corporate/news/steelworks-helps-take-the-strain-off-peak-energy-demand-this-winter&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;noopener nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Steelworks helps take the strain off peak energy demand this winter&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Ioan Richard&nbsp;in Swansea &#8211; 80 yrs old and once a Steel Company of Wales SCOW employee for 14 years (way back in time) in the SCOW Cold Mills (Velindre &amp; Trostre). Sometimes, as major power consumers, we had to stop Rolling Steel for short periods of time, due to National Grid power supply issues &#8211; it was called &#8216;Load Shedding&#8217; then &#8211; but that was rare.&nbsp;<br />
I spotted this TATA Press Release in&nbsp;<strong>LINK&nbsp;below</strong>&nbsp;just before last Christmas on 15-12-22 &#8211; a good time to release bad news that will not be broadcast or printed due to the festivities. Please read it. It means that they realise the Grid will get &#8216;wobbly&#8217; in future due to intermittent Renewable Energy supplies at times when there is no wind. In New Year 2023 I attempted to get newspapers in Wales to feature this but too my knowledge they have never published details of this procedure which is due to come about&nbsp;to avoid blackouts. TATA will get generously compensated but it will add costs for us the energy consumers.<br />
<a href="https://www.tatasteeleurope.com/corporate/news/steelworks-helps-take-the-strain-off-peak-energy-demand-this-winter" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc"><strong>Steelworks helps take the strain off peak energy demand this winter</strong></a></p>
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		By: Simon		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44137</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 16:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does the fact that lee waters is a speaker at the pressure group 20&#039;s plenty conference in edinburgh suggest he may be lining up a new career]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does the fact that lee waters is a speaker at the pressure group 20&#8217;s plenty conference in edinburgh suggest he may be lining up a new career</p>
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		By: Moch		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Moch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44129&quot;&gt;Jonathan Dean&lt;/a&gt;.

I heard he is ex Labour councillor..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/lies-damned-lies-opinion-polls/#comment-44129">Jonathan Dean</a>.</p>
<p>I heard he is ex Labour councillor..</p>
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