I was using Albert Owen as an example of how people round here, at least in my anecdotal experience, appear to favour someone local and known over a colonial candidate. Then again there’s no shortage of thick people round these parts so there’s plenty of marks to be conned.

My days as a Latin scholar are long behind me. That was addressed at “Peter Bloggs”.

Scotland is not and never has been a member of the EU. Same is true of England, Wales and Northern Ireland. Even the EU regatds Scotland as merely a region of a member-state.

The UK is a member of the EU and its the UK that’s leaving and it’s only the UK the EU will negotiate with.

That is not correct the EU is it’s members, all 28 of them (at that time) what you heard were the negative opinions of a very few EU officers non of whom had permanent positions and non of whom had the power of veto.
However the British press and media used these voices as part of their anti independence campaign convincing some in Scotland and you too it seems.

“Hence to me there is a clear economic upside to Brexit. ”

That vocal champion of Brexit , Jacob Rees Mogg attached a timeframe to that clear economic upside materializing – up to fifty years!

Your idea that the UK being more successful after leaving the EU provides an argument for Cymru leaving the UK ignores the inevitable counter that Cymru has even more to lose by leaving a more successful UK than it does now. There are two sides to an independence contest you are failing to recognize that the other side will act and react.

“If a country with the international heft of the UK can’t leave a Union it’s been part of for less than 50 years, how would we ever persuade people that a country like Wales could leave a Union it’s been part of for over 700?”
Any member of the EU can leave the EU at any time, whatever it’s heft is. The UK leaves in a few weeks but the delay has been entirely the fault of the UK. It’s much easier for the UK to leave the EU than it is for Cymru to leave the UK. the UK did NOT need the EU’s permission to leave.

“And if the UK leaving the EU turned out to be a leap in the dark leading to economic collapse, who would want to risk the leap of Wales leaving the UK?”
I think your faith in Brexit delivering sunny uplands is misplaced and if it is an economic hit you should realize that you’ve made a strong argument for Cymru not leaving the UK.

‘I don’t smoke, I don’t drink Bourbon,
I just wanna shake my turban.’

*Y feri un’.

I had to hit the ‘reply; button under your earlier comment since I think this conversation has indented itself too much for the template to cope: but in case of doubt, this is a reply to your question of 08:22 this morning.

Clearly it won’t automatically; it will only happen if people like us here on this blog campaign for it tirelessly – but I do believe that a successful post-Brexit Britain provides the benignest environment possible to do this.

One argument I find compelling is that Brexit is often described by its supporters as the re-emergence of the nation-state. Yet by no possible construction can the UK be described as a nation-state – it simply and demonstrably isn’t. Therefore the logic of it leads inevitably to independence for each of the UK’s constituent nations (including England, of course).

It reminds me of an interview I heard on the radio, when a Scottish Tory was asked why he wasn’t campaigning in Scotland for Brexit:

“Do you support Brexit?”

"Yes, I do."


“Then why aren’t you out campaigning for it?”

"Because I can't think of a single argument for Brexit which isn't also an argument for Scottish independence."


The same self-evidently applies in Wales.

Unfortunately, some losers’ votes are worth so much more that they gain a majority of seats.

Some interesting points about regionalization. You might find Leopold Kohr’ Breakdown of Nations interesting.

The Rocking Sikh?

Non sequuntur.

Talking of Swansea musicians, is Pete Singh still going?