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		By: hardenedskeptic		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11467</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[There was a bit of a throwaway item on BBC Wales news this evening about 10 councils getting together to form a &quot;South East Wales&quot; supercouncil, but no further details about which councils are involved. Anyone know the inside track on this?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a bit of a throwaway item on BBC Wales news this evening about 10 councils getting together to form a &#8220;South East Wales&#8221; supercouncil, but no further details about which councils are involved. Anyone know the inside track on this?</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11453</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11431&quot;&gt;adarynefoedd&lt;/a&gt;.

and there lies one of the big dilemmas - size matters, yet &quot;local&quot; goverment becomes very centralised as soon as you create these large authorities, and ceases to be &quot;local&quot;..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11431">adarynefoedd</a>.</p>
<p>and there lies one of the big dilemmas &#8211; size matters, yet &#8220;local&#8221; goverment becomes very centralised as soon as you create these large authorities, and ceases to be &#8220;local&#8221;..</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11445</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 10:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[1.Sorry to keep piling it on, but the welter of stories now breaking about the fiddling and groping wing of UKIP, i.e most of them, must provide some ammo for any self respecting Welsh politicians who are minded to &quot;repel boarders&quot;, or do they too have so many skeletons in their cupboards that they find it easier to sit back and &quot;let matters take their course&quot;.   I wonder. 

2. On the evolution of local government, ( you won&#039;t get a revolution for obvious reasons ), the Assembly would do well to rebuild terms of reference, mandates or whatever you wish to call them to place emphasis on service delivery and away from score keeping, bureaucracy and other forms of self justifying activity. 
The crap spoken about size of budgets under the control of assorted jobsworths is worthy of &quot;yes Minister&quot; at its best, the fact is that most of these people operate within all sorts of boundaries which are quite acceptable to the risk averse types that inhabit these roles. Rolling out real improvements in service by applying simple efficiency measures would be an essential goal, but likely to be thwarted by people who can only dream up obstacles and objections. Thus, we will keep on living with a paper chasing, ass covering , pension ( and severance) accumulating &quot;elite&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1.Sorry to keep piling it on, but the welter of stories now breaking about the fiddling and groping wing of UKIP, i.e most of them, must provide some ammo for any self respecting Welsh politicians who are minded to &#8220;repel boarders&#8221;, or do they too have so many skeletons in their cupboards that they find it easier to sit back and &#8220;let matters take their course&#8221;.   I wonder. </p>
<p>2. On the evolution of local government, ( you won&#8217;t get a revolution for obvious reasons ), the Assembly would do well to rebuild terms of reference, mandates or whatever you wish to call them to place emphasis on service delivery and away from score keeping, bureaucracy and other forms of self justifying activity.<br />
The crap spoken about size of budgets under the control of assorted jobsworths is worthy of &#8220;yes Minister&#8221; at its best, the fact is that most of these people operate within all sorts of boundaries which are quite acceptable to the risk averse types that inhabit these roles. Rolling out real improvements in service by applying simple efficiency measures would be an essential goal, but likely to be thwarted by people who can only dream up obstacles and objections. Thus, we will keep on living with a paper chasing, ass covering , pension ( and severance) accumulating &#8220;elite&#8221;.</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11439</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[more like a bit of opportunistic Falangist posturing, he&#039;s hardly likely to admit to not giving a shit about Wales really, is he ? . He&#039;d be happy to have a &quot;presence&quot; at the Assembly, but his main goal is to gain influence at Westminster where he knows there&#039;s a load of old Tory die hards happy to form up some sort of deal with UKIP just to keep  their party leadership on its toes.  

Welsh Labour won&#039;t do away with all those cushy numbers that are held by their members out in the country. Their big dilemma is how to fiddle/reorganise in a way which maxes the return to the Party ( or minimizes the damage ! ) No other party can expect much in the way of demographic payoffs. There again, who deserves it when they have all been pretty rubbish at stimulating voter interest for years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more like a bit of opportunistic Falangist posturing, he&#8217;s hardly likely to admit to not giving a shit about Wales really, is he ? . He&#8217;d be happy to have a &#8220;presence&#8221; at the Assembly, but his main goal is to gain influence at Westminster where he knows there&#8217;s a load of old Tory die hards happy to form up some sort of deal with UKIP just to keep  their party leadership on its toes.  </p>
<p>Welsh Labour won&#8217;t do away with all those cushy numbers that are held by their members out in the country. Their big dilemma is how to fiddle/reorganise in a way which maxes the return to the Party ( or minimizes the damage ! ) No other party can expect much in the way of demographic payoffs. There again, who deserves it when they have all been pretty rubbish at stimulating voter interest for years.</p>
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		By: adarynefoedd		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11431</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2014 05:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Size matters in local government, the main issues are how to manage volatile Social Services and Education budgets.Although there is pious talk about democratic accountability and transparency, the truth is that the major items are buying care for vulnerable children and adults and special education. 

The assessment at the time of LGR in 1996 was that most Welsh LAs are too small to do the business and so it has proved true. The bigger, the better I say having worked for many years in a mega (and well run) Shire council in England and then in Wales, I know that a large Council is much more capable of riding the storm. (and employing those specialists to make the system work properly). 

Various attempts to set up joint commissioning have usually failed whether between local authorities or with health (&#039;consortia&#039;) and IMHO the only way forward is a small number of very large Councils eg North Wales, Dyfed-Powys, Gwent, South Glam, Mid Glam, West Glam, a minimum population of 300,000. Thankfully the Minister seems to be moving in this direction. There is also a case for looking at an All Wales service for areas such as Social Services and Education and addressing the divide between the health service and Social Services for vulnerable adults. We lack an All Wales approach to a number of vulnerable groups, result is that services are bought at vast expense in England or the user gets a poorer service. 

Bigger, more strategic LAs could also address better some of the really difficult problems.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Size matters in local government, the main issues are how to manage volatile Social Services and Education budgets.Although there is pious talk about democratic accountability and transparency, the truth is that the major items are buying care for vulnerable children and adults and special education. </p>
<p>The assessment at the time of LGR in 1996 was that most Welsh LAs are too small to do the business and so it has proved true. The bigger, the better I say having worked for many years in a mega (and well run) Shire council in England and then in Wales, I know that a large Council is much more capable of riding the storm. (and employing those specialists to make the system work properly). </p>
<p>Various attempts to set up joint commissioning have usually failed whether between local authorities or with health (&#8216;consortia&#8217;) and IMHO the only way forward is a small number of very large Councils eg North Wales, Dyfed-Powys, Gwent, South Glam, Mid Glam, West Glam, a minimum population of 300,000. Thankfully the Minister seems to be moving in this direction. There is also a case for looking at an All Wales service for areas such as Social Services and Education and addressing the divide between the health service and Social Services for vulnerable adults. We lack an All Wales approach to a number of vulnerable groups, result is that services are bought at vast expense in England or the user gets a poorer service. </p>
<p>Bigger, more strategic LAs could also address better some of the really difficult problems.</p>
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		By: green dragon		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11315</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Worth pointing that under the current system the Welsh Government could abolish all local government in Wales if it so wanted. Such a state of affairs surely cant be right? Indeed it&#039;s a situation which apes the draconian and anti democratic powers which enabled Thatcher to dissolve the GLC for example. 

So lets hope that out of all this talk of &#039;re-oganisation&#039; will come legislation at the Assembly which will guarantee the future independence of local government in Wales. 

Returning to Ukip, and after listening to Farage being interviewed on radio Wales earlier today, we feel bound to ask have Ukip &#039;gone native&#039;&#039; on devolution?  http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04q0k9d]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Worth pointing that under the current system the Welsh Government could abolish all local government in Wales if it so wanted. Such a state of affairs surely cant be right? Indeed it&#8217;s a situation which apes the draconian and anti democratic powers which enabled Thatcher to dissolve the GLC for example. </p>
<p>So lets hope that out of all this talk of &#8216;re-oganisation&#8217; will come legislation at the Assembly which will guarantee the future independence of local government in Wales. </p>
<p>Returning to Ukip, and after listening to Farage being interviewed on radio Wales earlier today, we feel bound to ask have Ukip &#8216;gone native&#8221; on devolution?  <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04q0k9d" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b04q0k9d</a></p>
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		By: hardenedskeptic		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11306</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, at least the VoGons had the sense to want to get into bed with Bridgend - with whom they at least share some similarities - rather than the Welsh Assembly-preferred option of Cardiff. If that happens, guess just how many services and how much improvement the Vale is likely to see! (Clue - not a lot!)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least the VoGons had the sense to want to get into bed with Bridgend &#8211; with whom they at least share some similarities &#8211; rather than the Welsh Assembly-preferred option of Cardiff. If that happens, guess just how many services and how much improvement the Vale is likely to see! (Clue &#8211; not a lot!)</p>
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		By: dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11296</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2014 09:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11262&quot;&gt;green dragon&lt;/a&gt;.

Won&#039;t argue with that observation green dragon. However right now UKIP are driving attitudes, even policies where they exist, and the other major Brit parties are reacting and competing for the same pitch when they should be adopting a hostile stance if they had any morality left in them. If UKIP flipped and said &quot;bring more in&quot;, you&#039;d see Labour leading the lurch in that direction !! 
The entire spectrum of Anglo Brit politics is now severely damaged by the years of corruption and lack of any attempt to lay foundations for a future. Society built on Dependency culture on the one hand and huge greed on the other are all symptoms of the same malaise at the centre, probably most exposed in the behaviours of Blair &#038; Brown,and continued by Cameron and Osborne. Falange &#038;Co would be a minor diversion but essentially same thread of distraction politics while the elite minority fill their boots wallets and anything else to hand, with rest of us &quot;focussed&quot; on keeping foreigners out ( of Britain ) and other &quot;perceived &quot; problems created by the ruling elites. The threat to Wales ? It is seen by the UKIPpers and the other Parties as a sideshow to manage as they see fit.  That position will get worse if as expected the SNP will serve notice with a sound electoral thumping for the others in 2015  

Falange &quot;appointed&quot; his Provincial Governor at Margam yesterday, not Welsh ( good ) not elected ( what would you expect, probably 1 of few that could spell his own name ) . Sign of the times]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11262">green dragon</a>.</p>
<p>Won&#8217;t argue with that observation green dragon. However right now UKIP are driving attitudes, even policies where they exist, and the other major Brit parties are reacting and competing for the same pitch when they should be adopting a hostile stance if they had any morality left in them. If UKIP flipped and said &#8220;bring more in&#8221;, you&#8217;d see Labour leading the lurch in that direction !!<br />
The entire spectrum of Anglo Brit politics is now severely damaged by the years of corruption and lack of any attempt to lay foundations for a future. Society built on Dependency culture on the one hand and huge greed on the other are all symptoms of the same malaise at the centre, probably most exposed in the behaviours of Blair &amp; Brown,and continued by Cameron and Osborne. Falange &amp;Co would be a minor diversion but essentially same thread of distraction politics while the elite minority fill their boots wallets and anything else to hand, with rest of us &#8220;focussed&#8221; on keeping foreigners out ( of Britain ) and other &#8220;perceived &#8221; problems created by the ruling elites. The threat to Wales ? It is seen by the UKIPpers and the other Parties as a sideshow to manage as they see fit.  That position will get worse if as expected the SNP will serve notice with a sound electoral thumping for the others in 2015  </p>
<p>Falange &#8220;appointed&#8221; his Provincial Governor at Margam yesterday, not Welsh ( good ) not elected ( what would you expect, probably 1 of few that could spell his own name ) . Sign of the times</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11268</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 21:43:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11226&quot;&gt;dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

I have written elsewhere on this blog that the rise of Ukip, that an English nationalist party is challenging Labour in its heartlands, is a massive indictment of Plaid Cymru which might as well pack up and go home.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11226">dafis</a>.</p>
<p>I have written elsewhere on this blog that the rise of Ukip, that an English nationalist party is challenging Labour in its heartlands, is a massive indictment of Plaid Cymru which might as well pack up and go home.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Dec 2014 21:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11117&quot;&gt;green dragon&lt;/a&gt;.

I would have no objection to seeing the civic centre sold off, it was a mystery to me why the Guildhall was abandoned. And there&#039;s another jewel a little further along in the form of the Rec&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/councils-of-despair/#comment-11117">green dragon</a>.</p>
<p>I would have no objection to seeing the civic centre sold off, it was a mystery to me why the Guildhall was abandoned. And there&#8217;s another jewel a little further along in the form of the Rec&#8217;.</p>
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