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		By: Robin Ward		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39535</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2020 16:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39045&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Interesting to note that Snowdonia Aerospace LLP has &quot;satisfied&quot; the 2 legal charges against it (MoD and WAG) on 17/12/20. Wonder where the money came from??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39045">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>Interesting to note that Snowdonia Aerospace LLP has &#8220;satisfied&#8221; the 2 legal charges against it (MoD and WAG) on 17/12/20. Wonder where the money came from??</p>
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		By: Robin Ward		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39504</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2020 16:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More information on the proposed Llanbedr bypass (oops, access road to the airfield). 

This road will save the average motorist 49 seconds (Gwynedd Council assessment) and will result in an additional 21 accidents (Gwynedd Council assessment  - and we all know what happened at Dolgellau designed by the same team). It will generate additional noise in a quiet area of the National Park. It will obscure the views from numerous properties and from the Wales Coastal Path (which it will bisect) and will be visible from SSSIs and large swathes of the National Park. It completely destroys the setting of a Scheduled Ancient Monument (Bronze Age standing stones used as a marker for high tide and the start of a causeway across the Rhinogs).  It will remove 90% of passing trade from village businesses (Gwynedd Council assessment). The route is across a Category C1 (worst type) flood plain, hence the need for the road to be elevated by up to 7m - an urban expressway. It will increase flooding to farmland that currently does not flood (NRW report). It does not comply with Welsh Government Planning Policy, Welsh Government Transport Appraisal Guidelines, Local Transport Plan or the Snowdonia National Park Local Development Plan. Little (alright no) account is made for sustainability or the Well-Being of Future Generations Act and the Welsh Government and Gwynedd Council declared climate emergency is ignored.

Wow – so you may ask how on earth did the “independent” Snowdonia National Park Authority approve this application by Gwynedd Council for planning permission? Well the full planning committee has 18 members, 9 Local Councillors appointed by Gwynedd Council, 3 Local Councillors appointed by Conwy County Borough Council, and 6 members appointed by the Welsh Assembly Government. At the crucial vote there were 9 votes cast in favour of approval of which 7 were Gwynedd Councillors (one couldn’t vote as he was chair). The 7 included the local councillor who actually started the bypass ball rolling in 2012. I believe it to be Park etiquette for Conwy councillors not to vote on Gwynedd matters and vice versa. Judge and Jury indeed.
It is worth pointing out for completeness that the Planning Officer also recommended approval. Which given the extent of non-compliance listed above raises the question why? The rumour was that Gwynedd Council had told SNPA that if it refused permission they would appeal, leading to a public inquiry costing upwards of £100k (this figure is in the Gwynedd Council Risk Register for the project – funded by the Welsh Government, ie we taxpayers). Being strapped for cash SNPA ignored all the evidence and instead believed the propaganda that building the bypass would lead to hundreds of jobs at the airfield, and so was justified. The airfield operators have promised hundreds of jobs on an almost annual basis since first being involved in 2008. Currently there are at most 2 people employed in maintenance.

Also worth noting that viable alternatives to the bypass were presented to Gwynedd Council to relieve the traffic congestion at the bridge in the village which, for a few hours around lunchtime on maybe 10 days in the Summer, can cause traffic to be held up for 10 to 15 minutes. They refused to discuss the proposals. 

More background and details of the bypass can be found on this blog, noting though that it’s not been updated for a little while www.protectllanbedr.org]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More information on the proposed Llanbedr bypass (oops, access road to the airfield). </p>
<p>This road will save the average motorist 49 seconds (Gwynedd Council assessment) and will result in an additional 21 accidents (Gwynedd Council assessment  &#8211; and we all know what happened at Dolgellau designed by the same team). It will generate additional noise in a quiet area of the National Park. It will obscure the views from numerous properties and from the Wales Coastal Path (which it will bisect) and will be visible from SSSIs and large swathes of the National Park. It completely destroys the setting of a Scheduled Ancient Monument (Bronze Age standing stones used as a marker for high tide and the start of a causeway across the Rhinogs).  It will remove 90% of passing trade from village businesses (Gwynedd Council assessment). The route is across a Category C1 (worst type) flood plain, hence the need for the road to be elevated by up to 7m &#8211; an urban expressway. It will increase flooding to farmland that currently does not flood (NRW report). It does not comply with Welsh Government Planning Policy, Welsh Government Transport Appraisal Guidelines, Local Transport Plan or the Snowdonia National Park Local Development Plan. Little (alright no) account is made for sustainability or the Well-Being of Future Generations Act and the Welsh Government and Gwynedd Council declared climate emergency is ignored.</p>
<p>Wow – so you may ask how on earth did the “independent” Snowdonia National Park Authority approve this application by Gwynedd Council for planning permission? Well the full planning committee has 18 members, 9 Local Councillors appointed by Gwynedd Council, 3 Local Councillors appointed by Conwy County Borough Council, and 6 members appointed by the Welsh Assembly Government. At the crucial vote there were 9 votes cast in favour of approval of which 7 were Gwynedd Councillors (one couldn’t vote as he was chair). The 7 included the local councillor who actually started the bypass ball rolling in 2012. I believe it to be Park etiquette for Conwy councillors not to vote on Gwynedd matters and vice versa. Judge and Jury indeed.<br />
It is worth pointing out for completeness that the Planning Officer also recommended approval. Which given the extent of non-compliance listed above raises the question why? The rumour was that Gwynedd Council had told SNPA that if it refused permission they would appeal, leading to a public inquiry costing upwards of £100k (this figure is in the Gwynedd Council Risk Register for the project – funded by the Welsh Government, ie we taxpayers). Being strapped for cash SNPA ignored all the evidence and instead believed the propaganda that building the bypass would lead to hundreds of jobs at the airfield, and so was justified. The airfield operators have promised hundreds of jobs on an almost annual basis since first being involved in 2008. Currently there are at most 2 people employed in maintenance.</p>
<p>Also worth noting that viable alternatives to the bypass were presented to Gwynedd Council to relieve the traffic congestion at the bridge in the village which, for a few hours around lunchtime on maybe 10 days in the Summer, can cause traffic to be held up for 10 to 15 minutes. They refused to discuss the proposals. </p>
<p>More background and details of the bypass can be found on this blog, noting though that it’s not been updated for a little while <a href="http://www.protectllanbedr.org" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.protectllanbedr.org</a></p>
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		By: Robin Ward		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39495</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2020 17:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Excellent piece on &quot;Fly Boys&quot; although I&#039;m not sure that the Workmans are quite the villains you paint them as. Shell Island is a benefit to the local area as are many of the other smaller campsites. The bypass however is just another example of hypocrisy from Cardiff, saying there is a climate emergency and we must stop emitting CO2, but lets rape the National Park and encourage more cars to travel at faster speeds and, er, emit more CO2..
As to Brawdy Business Park Limited still being indebted to the Welsh Government look at this link https://companycheck.co.uk/company/03431529/BRAWDY-BUSINESS-PARK-LIMITED/companies-house-data]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece on &#8220;Fly Boys&#8221; although I&#8217;m not sure that the Workmans are quite the villains you paint them as. Shell Island is a benefit to the local area as are many of the other smaller campsites. The bypass however is just another example of hypocrisy from Cardiff, saying there is a climate emergency and we must stop emitting CO2, but lets rape the National Park and encourage more cars to travel at faster speeds and, er, emit more CO2..<br />
As to Brawdy Business Park Limited still being indebted to the Welsh Government look at this link <a href="https://companycheck.co.uk/company/03431529/BRAWDY-BUSINESS-PARK-LIMITED/companies-house-data" rel="nofollow ugc">https://companycheck.co.uk/company/03431529/BRAWDY-BUSINESS-PARK-LIMITED/companies-house-data</a></p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39061</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2020 21:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[being cynical one could say that the main purpose was to receive money from the Welsh Government to channel into dodgy firms, but that of course is just supposition.....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>being cynical one could say that the main purpose was to receive money from the Welsh Government to channel into dodgy firms, but that of course is just supposition&#8230;..</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39055</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 18:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39054&quot;&gt;Robin Ward&lt;/a&gt;.

From looking at the accounts for the Brawdy Business Park, little was ever done. The only asset seemed to be the base itself. What was the point of it all?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39054">Robin Ward</a>.</p>
<p>From looking at the accounts for the Brawdy Business Park, little was ever done. The only asset seemed to be the base itself. What was the point of it all?</p>
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		By: Robin Ward		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That is interesting. I started following this in 2017 and noted from Companies House records the following (extracted from an email I sent to Neil Hamilton, then a member of the Public Accounts Committee and our local AM, as they were then called).
&quot;According to their records Brawdy Business Park Limited still has 6 outstanding charges listed against it. Additionally Compass Points Estate (which according to Ken Skates’ response took over the debt of Brawdy Business Park Limited) has 12 outstanding charges registered against it. Both Lee Paul and Putney Investments Limited are involved in all 3 companies (Brawdy, Compass and Snowdonia Aerospace LLP). &quot;
Ken Skates office replied stating that Compass Point took over the debts of Brawdy and that payment had been received in respect of the Welsh site but that is not what the records said at the time. I guess it IS possible that Companies House had not updated their records?
I agree that current records do not show outstanding charges against Brawdy and those against Compass relate to sites in England. There was one mortgage with Lloyds repayed in 2017 (3 months after I had contacted Ken Skates office) but I can now find no reference to any charge (settled or outstanding from WAG or MoD). Mystery.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is interesting. I started following this in 2017 and noted from Companies House records the following (extracted from an email I sent to Neil Hamilton, then a member of the Public Accounts Committee and our local AM, as they were then called).<br />
&#8220;According to their records Brawdy Business Park Limited still has 6 outstanding charges listed against it. Additionally Compass Points Estate (which according to Ken Skates’ response took over the debt of Brawdy Business Park Limited) has 12 outstanding charges registered against it. Both Lee Paul and Putney Investments Limited are involved in all 3 companies (Brawdy, Compass and Snowdonia Aerospace LLP). &#8221;<br />
Ken Skates office replied stating that Compass Point took over the debts of Brawdy and that payment had been received in respect of the Welsh site but that is not what the records said at the time. I guess it IS possible that Companies House had not updated their records?<br />
I agree that current records do not show outstanding charges against Brawdy and those against Compass relate to sites in England. There was one mortgage with Lloyds repayed in 2017 (3 months after I had contacted Ken Skates office) but I can now find no reference to any charge (settled or outstanding from WAG or MoD). Mystery.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39038&quot;&gt;Anonymous&lt;/a&gt;.

I&#039;ve downloaded some docs but I can&#039;t find the loan from WG. You sure about that?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39038">Anonymous</a>.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve downloaded some docs but I can&#8217;t find the loan from WG. You sure about that?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2020 17:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It was brawdy business park   Company No: 03431529]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was brawdy business park   Company No: 03431529</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2020 18:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39036&quot;&gt;robin ward&lt;/a&gt;.

Thank you very much. I was unaware of the Brawdy connection. Many years ago an old mate of mine was stationed there in the Fleet Air Arm days. Under what name was Brawdy owned?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/come-fly-with-me/#comment-39036">robin ward</a>.</p>
<p>Thank you very much. I was unaware of the Brawdy connection. Many years ago an old mate of mine was stationed there in the Fleet Air Arm days. Under what name was Brawdy owned?</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2020 17:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just come across this article - excellent stuff. No mention though of RAF Brawdy in Pembrokeshire which the same people as at Llanbedr ran for a while before dissolving the company with outstanding charges against the welsh Government. Also note as an update that Putney are now, as of October 2020, a &quot;person with significant control&quot; at Llanbedr, the only other one being Lee Paul himself.  And to answer earlier questions - there is no-one local employed at the airfield (nor indeed anyone not local) despite millions of public money disappearing into their coffers. And yes the Welsh Government is funding the Llanbedr bypass, which legally can&#039;t be called a bypass as it has to be an access road to the airfield to qualify for grants. And no it doesn&#039;t go to the airfield!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just come across this article &#8211; excellent stuff. No mention though of RAF Brawdy in Pembrokeshire which the same people as at Llanbedr ran for a while before dissolving the company with outstanding charges against the welsh Government. Also note as an update that Putney are now, as of October 2020, a &#8220;person with significant control&#8221; at Llanbedr, the only other one being Lee Paul himself.  And to answer earlier questions &#8211; there is no-one local employed at the airfield (nor indeed anyone not local) despite millions of public money disappearing into their coffers. And yes the Welsh Government is funding the Llanbedr bypass, which legally can&#8217;t be called a bypass as it has to be an access road to the airfield to qualify for grants. And no it doesn&#8217;t go to the airfield!</p>
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