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		By: Best of the Blogs #28: Hollow Crown &#8211; Senedd Home		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] Jac o&#8217; the North on Carwyn Jones. [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Jac o&#8217; the North on Carwyn Jones. [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: mrorigami2013		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31035</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2018 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31015&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

If you looking for an allusion to Islamification,  Nicolas Sarkozy was a master at it.

He was also good at hypocrisy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31015">Jac</a>.</p>
<p>If you looking for an allusion to Islamification,  Nicolas Sarkozy was a master at it.</p>
<p>He was also good at hypocrisy.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8yaiN6ew_g</a></p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31018</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 09:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31017&quot;&gt;Brychan&lt;/a&gt;.

I agree with much of what you say. I was in a role back in early-mid 70&#039;s where I had much to do with employment of a multi racial workforce, mostly commonwealth origin. Muslims featured, Somalis and other African subSaharan groups whose home countries were often far more troubled than industrial South Wales. I never experienced any difficulty with any of those groups that was exclusive to them. If there was a bit of strife it involved native (white) labour as well as other races/cultures/religions.

Fast forward and the picture is different. There is a surly confrontational element to be found and quite easily too. Whether this is rooted in any homeland issue, or in the failed expectations having come to this land of plenty and found the good jobs are often beyond reach, or in some latent militancy is something I cannot figure out precisely. Perhaps it is a variable mix of all 3 plus other factors thrown in.

One other factor that cannot be ignored is the often exploitative attitudes of modern managers ( still mostly white native ) who themselves are driven by an aggressive culture of money, cost, and profit. Although they may be well educated they are often ill equipped in real skills and emotional intelligence to &quot;lead people&quot;. Indeed this characteristic is common across the broad mix of Welsh and British leadership in business and particularly in politics. Men and women wrapped up in their own importance eager to tell the public what to do, no idea how it should be done and utterly unwilling to confront responsibility for performance, failure, remedies or rectification. CJ and May are 2 current examples. We could work around them if they were rare cases but their rafts of subordinates are just as fuckin&#039; useless !

Final point to draw from Brychan&#039;s note is the valid one about education. Teaching our young people that we have been here before when it comes to diversity would be far more useful than loading them up with a timeline of British Imperial grandeur and the general mess inflicted on Europe and the rest of the world by the colonial and neo-colonial adventures of assorted ruling classes. Gwilym has often spoken about the need to re discover the real history, the rich body of information,not spin, that tells us what we had and in some cases what what we lost. .]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31017">Brychan</a>.</p>
<p>I agree with much of what you say. I was in a role back in early-mid 70&#8217;s where I had much to do with employment of a multi racial workforce, mostly commonwealth origin. Muslims featured, Somalis and other African subSaharan groups whose home countries were often far more troubled than industrial South Wales. I never experienced any difficulty with any of those groups that was exclusive to them. If there was a bit of strife it involved native (white) labour as well as other races/cultures/religions.</p>
<p>Fast forward and the picture is different. There is a surly confrontational element to be found and quite easily too. Whether this is rooted in any homeland issue, or in the failed expectations having come to this land of plenty and found the good jobs are often beyond reach, or in some latent militancy is something I cannot figure out precisely. Perhaps it is a variable mix of all 3 plus other factors thrown in.</p>
<p>One other factor that cannot be ignored is the often exploitative attitudes of modern managers ( still mostly white native ) who themselves are driven by an aggressive culture of money, cost, and profit. Although they may be well educated they are often ill equipped in real skills and emotional intelligence to &#8220;lead people&#8221;. Indeed this characteristic is common across the broad mix of Welsh and British leadership in business and particularly in politics. Men and women wrapped up in their own importance eager to tell the public what to do, no idea how it should be done and utterly unwilling to confront responsibility for performance, failure, remedies or rectification. CJ and May are 2 current examples. We could work around them if they were rare cases but their rafts of subordinates are just as fuckin&#8217; useless !</p>
<p>Final point to draw from Brychan&#8217;s note is the valid one about education. Teaching our young people that we have been here before when it comes to diversity would be far more useful than loading them up with a timeline of British Imperial grandeur and the general mess inflicted on Europe and the rest of the world by the colonial and neo-colonial adventures of assorted ruling classes. Gwilym has often spoken about the need to re discover the real history, the rich body of information,not spin, that tells us what we had and in some cases what what we lost. .</p>
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		By: Brychan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2018 08:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31014&quot;&gt;mrorigami2013&lt;/a&gt;.

Islam (as a faith and the various Islamic cultures) in Wales is not British. It is Welsh and distinct. This is despite attempts by the British government (and modern Islamists with a political agenda) to create some kind of racial classification. Cardiff has a long history of Islamic settlement and it arises from its role as a seaport. Both the Harris Navigation Steam Coal Company and subsequently David Davies Llandinam who owned a number of ‘Ocean’ collieries had employees of the Muslim faith employed in Cardiff docks on equal pay and conditions.

The coal trade of the 19th century was global, built of Welsh ingenuity prior to the destructive and exploitative British imperial wars and Welsh ports often traded with the free Ottomans. Cardiff Coal Exchange would have seen Welsh entrepreneurs enlisting Muslim sales reps, financed by Jewish loans, for coal hewn by Welsh non-conformist colliers transported on canals and docks built by Catholic Navvies. And the British government want to lecture Wales about integration? Fuck off.

Also, in 1847 during the Irish famine an Ottoman Sultan in line with Islamic faith (real charity) despatched four ships containing dates and grains for famine relief to various Irish ports breaking the British embargo. Those ships were provided and navigated by the Welsh enterprise through offshore arrangement. There’s a memorial to this event in Drogheda. Yet we see no such memorial in Cardiff for such events, and our children are only taught ‘British’ history in our schools. Wales should never see Islam through the lens of the British. Wales can view Islam in our own terms of reference, as an independent country. It might also help if Plaid Cymru stopped victimising the Welsh nationalist Arab with an Irish name, and then try giving faux lectures about diversity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31014">mrorigami2013</a>.</p>
<p>Islam (as a faith and the various Islamic cultures) in Wales is not British. It is Welsh and distinct. This is despite attempts by the British government (and modern Islamists with a political agenda) to create some kind of racial classification. Cardiff has a long history of Islamic settlement and it arises from its role as a seaport. Both the Harris Navigation Steam Coal Company and subsequently David Davies Llandinam who owned a number of ‘Ocean’ collieries had employees of the Muslim faith employed in Cardiff docks on equal pay and conditions.</p>
<p>The coal trade of the 19th century was global, built of Welsh ingenuity prior to the destructive and exploitative British imperial wars and Welsh ports often traded with the free Ottomans. Cardiff Coal Exchange would have seen Welsh entrepreneurs enlisting Muslim sales reps, financed by Jewish loans, for coal hewn by Welsh non-conformist colliers transported on canals and docks built by Catholic Navvies. And the British government want to lecture Wales about integration? Fuck off.</p>
<p>Also, in 1847 during the Irish famine an Ottoman Sultan in line with Islamic faith (real charity) despatched four ships containing dates and grains for famine relief to various Irish ports breaking the British embargo. Those ships were provided and navigated by the Welsh enterprise through offshore arrangement. There’s a memorial to this event in Drogheda. Yet we see no such memorial in Cardiff for such events, and our children are only taught ‘British’ history in our schools. Wales should never see Islam through the lens of the British. Wales can view Islam in our own terms of reference, as an independent country. It might also help if Plaid Cymru stopped victimising the Welsh nationalist Arab with an Irish name, and then try giving faux lectures about diversity.</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31015</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 22:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31014&quot;&gt;mrorigami2013&lt;/a&gt;.

Mmmm.]]></description>
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<p>Mmmm.</p>
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		By: mrorigami2013		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 21:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just an observer of FICATION of Wales, Britain and beyond. It&#039;s all interesting stuff. Englandification is a hot topic I believe. ISIMISIM&#039;s are quite interesting too.

Hey! I didn&#039;t mention Islam once and so I think I most definitely got away with it!

On the topic though, Islamification means diversity and thats our strength....it&#039;s true ......our politicians tell us and they can&#039;t be wrong can they?

PONT LLYWELYN AP GRUFFUDD is starting to grow on me ....or is that too much of a Welshification for South East Wales?

Other than that, I am Welsh and live in West Wales. Love Wales .........blessed place - may it always be!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just an observer of FICATION of Wales, Britain and beyond. It&#8217;s all interesting stuff. Englandification is a hot topic I believe. ISIMISIM&#8217;s are quite interesting too.</p>
<p>Hey! I didn&#8217;t mention Islam once and so I think I most definitely got away with it!</p>
<p>On the topic though, Islamification means diversity and thats our strength&#8230;.it&#8217;s true &#8230;&#8230;our politicians tell us and they can&#8217;t be wrong can they?</p>
<p>PONT LLYWELYN AP GRUFFUDD is starting to grow on me &#8230;.or is that too much of a Welshification for South East Wales?</p>
<p>Other than that, I am Welsh and live in West Wales. Love Wales &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;blessed place &#8211; may it always be!</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31012&quot;&gt;mrorigami2013&lt;/a&gt;.

Now, now, you&#039;re veering towards the unacceptable with the allusion to Islamification.

I&#039;ve noticed your comments before, and they have a similar &#039;edge&#039;. Who are you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31012">mrorigami2013</a>.</p>
<p>Now, now, you&#8217;re veering towards the unacceptable with the allusion to Islamification.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve noticed your comments before, and they have a similar &#8216;edge&#8217;. Who are you?</p>
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		By: mrorigami2013		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 18:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[PRINCE OF WALES BRIDGE

There have been some mutterings with some London folk to rename Tower Bridge -  CALIPH OF LONDONISTAN BRIDGE. Why not I say! The locals should have some say in the matter.

Prince of Wales bridge is a good idea! PONT LLYWELYN AP GRUFFUDD sounds great to me!!! But let&#039;s have a democratic vote on the name. Oh! we have.......38,000 against the name chosen by Carwyn and how many voted for Carwyn, the fat British Fabian git&#039;s choice?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PRINCE OF WALES BRIDGE</p>
<p>There have been some mutterings with some London folk to rename Tower Bridge &#8211;  CALIPH OF LONDONISTAN BRIDGE. Why not I say! The locals should have some say in the matter.</p>
<p>Prince of Wales bridge is a good idea! PONT LLYWELYN AP GRUFFUDD sounds great to me!!! But let&#8217;s have a democratic vote on the name. Oh! we have&#8230;&#8230;.38,000 against the name chosen by Carwyn and how many voted for Carwyn, the fat British Fabian git&#8217;s choice?</p>
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		By: Jac		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 18:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31010&quot;&gt;Dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

Actually, it was crossed wires. The maintenance is planned for &lt;em&gt;next&lt;/em&gt; Monday, but I closed the blog down believing it was yesterday. (Makes note to cut down on Malbec consumption.)

Yes, I saw that from Mike Parker, and I was very disappointed given how he&#039;d been shafted by a similar smear from the &lt;em&gt;Cambrian News&lt;/em&gt;. But then, that&#039;s Plaid Cymru for you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/carwyn-jones-the-arch-betrayer/#comment-31010">Dafis</a>.</p>
<p>Actually, it was crossed wires. The maintenance is planned for <em>next</em> Monday, but I closed the blog down believing it was yesterday. (Makes note to cut down on Malbec consumption.)</p>
<p>Yes, I saw that from Mike Parker, and I was very disappointed given how he&#8217;d been shafted by a similar smear from the <em>Cambrian News</em>. But then, that&#8217;s Plaid Cymru for you.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2018 15:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Welcome back from &quot;planned maintenance&quot; did the fitter remember to take his spanner or is it still in the works ? Those were the days, stop for maintenance, how long will it take ? never you mind it&#039;ll take as long as we need to get to Murrayfield and back!

To more serious matters of State. I see from your tweets that Mike Parker started taking the piss about McEvoy@s Propel initiative citing Farage as a metaphor for &quot;contemptible&quot;. Now that&#039;s a bit sad because it&#039;s not that long ago that some Labour pup was having a dig at Mike about some old comments he had passed about immigrants into Mid Wales and other parts of our country. At that time loads of us rallied to Mike&#039;s defence and I find it sickening that he now goes off on one presumably to show loyalty to Leanne, who in turn would prefer to suck up to a Labour muppet than rally round one of her party&#039;s own any day. Are all these people becoming cross eyed, blinkered or what, that they don&#039;t see where the real challenge is coming from and where energy needs to be focussed  ?.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welcome back from &#8220;planned maintenance&#8221; did the fitter remember to take his spanner or is it still in the works ? Those were the days, stop for maintenance, how long will it take ? never you mind it&#8217;ll take as long as we need to get to Murrayfield and back!</p>
<p>To more serious matters of State. I see from your tweets that Mike Parker started taking the piss about McEvoy@s Propel initiative citing Farage as a metaphor for &#8220;contemptible&#8221;. Now that&#8217;s a bit sad because it&#8217;s not that long ago that some Labour pup was having a dig at Mike about some old comments he had passed about immigrants into Mid Wales and other parts of our country. At that time loads of us rallied to Mike&#8217;s defence and I find it sickening that he now goes off on one presumably to show loyalty to Leanne, who in turn would prefer to suck up to a Labour muppet than rally round one of her party&#8217;s own any day. Are all these people becoming cross eyed, blinkered or what, that they don&#8217;t see where the real challenge is coming from and where energy needs to be focussed  ?.</p>
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