https://metro.co.uk/2018/07/30/no-the-army-isnt-on-standby-in-case-we-have-a-no-deal-brexit-7779102/

There is speculation that if there is a ‘no-deal Brexit” there could be a need to augment the food and fuel supply, use the MoD estate to evacuate vulnerable people away from a crisis hit SE England.

A the report says “A return to a 1950s or 60’s pre-EU ‘British’ era of food is unlikely. Churchillian romantics who see Brexit as an opportunity to relive Imperial or wartime days go silent if the culinary era of tinned peaches and spam are mentioned.”

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-uk-food-supply-eu-report-sleepwalking-crisis-2017-7

Thing is, one third of all food consumed in the UK is imported from the EU, yet Wales is currently more than self sufficient in food, a net exporter to England.

Food price inflation in the UK has already hit 7% more per year compared with other EU states since the Brexit vote, and a no-deal Brexit will inevitably accelerate this trend. It may well be good for Wales in rebuilding its own internal ‘local market’, as long as, the British state does not impose a forced supply chain.

Will be see corporals driving milk tankers or Welsh farmers striking gold?

http://c.files.bbci.co.uk/A5F8/production/_86388424_hi028377215.jpg
Pic (ITV). “Operation Stack” on the M20 during a French strikes in 2015.

In 1845, a famine year in Ireland, historical records show that 3,251,907 quarters of corn were exported from Ireland to Britain. That same year 257,257 sheep were exported to Britain. In 1846, another famine year, 480,827 swine and 186,483 oxen were exported to Britain, enforced by the deployment of the British Army.

Isn’t the REAL reason why Whitehall is hording agricultural market legislation from the EU and snatching it away from the devolved administrations because there are concerns about food supply and price inflation?

Scotland has its own legal system, it was never unified with the English system. This is quite different from the situations in Wales where the native legal system was entirely abolished and Wales became and still is legally a part of England. Anyway, as I understand it, there are grounds for arguing that the Scots can object to Brexit, at the very least it would require Westminster to modify the devolution settlement, and as most MPs are anti-Brexit …
So even if they win eventually in a strictly legal sense, it certainly won´t be plain sailing and the political cost both in England and in Scotland could be very high.

Errr no, you have it wrong and the Attorney General and the Law Lords have already again said – this is a sovereign UK matter and outside the frame of devolution and nothing to do wit devolved governent, which under the temrs f their devolution accpeted thathey wer subordinate to Westminster in all matter and that Wesminster can overrule and decsion made at devolved level at any time it so wishes, without giving reason..

In fact, Article 50 is not even a parliamentary matter. the Lisbon Treaties are Sovereign Treaties and the right to invoke Article 50 lies solely with the Monarchs appointed representative – the Prime Minister.

No, you´ve got the wrong end of the stick here. Brexit would obviously have far reaching implications for many of the Scottish government´s areas of competence, so the argument goes, Art. 50 cannot be activated without Holyrood´s agreement. This all falls within the UK domestic constitution and doesn´t relate directly to the EU. It will come down to picking apart the details of the devolution settlement and beyond that the Acts of Union between England (incl. Wales and NI) and Scotland. Remember the Scottish Parliament at its opening, declared itself to be a continuation of the pre-UK Scottish parliament, and this afaik has never been questioned. Under the Scottish constitution ultimate sovereignty lies with the people, not the monarch. And the Scottish people voted Remain. So the government is duty-bound to defend that position by whatever means.

Scotland cannot veto Article 50 – they have already been told that by both Westminster and Brussels Scotland is not a nation in the eyes of the EU – it is merely a region of the UK and it’s the UK government that makes all decisions regarding the EU – not devolved areas.

If WM tries to block a second Scottish indy ref, then Holyrood will veto any attempt by London to set in motion Section 50 (or whatever it´s called), so they´ll be a stand-off and much head-scratching over the finer points of constitutional law and the Acts of Union. What fun 🙂

Europe is fast coming around to the idea of seeing Scotland as the UK´s successor state, which means in effect that it´s England that will be leaving the UK.

That is total sphericals and makes you another denier of reality. England is not trying to leave the UK. The UK (which is de facto England because of it’s pure dominance) is leaving the EU. The only people that wish to leave the UK are Scotland. Wales may or may not, but at the moment doesn’t. Parliament decides who does and does not leave the UK – and England has no desire or intention to leave it. Parliament even controls whether you can have a vote to leave the UK. And England controls Parliament.

As for Northern Ireland, you obviously included them for a laugh. The voting pattern in the referendum almost exclusively reflected the sectarian divide, but in this instance with a twist of class definition. The Roman Catholics voted Remain (in order to avoid the union by using the EU as a watering down mechanism) supported by the Protestant middle class (in order to support their wallets). The Protestant working class voted Leave (in order to avoid a situation where they had to look at the Republic as equals). In a vote to join the Republic, the Protestant middle class would revert back to their working class Presbyterian brethren and vote to remain in the UK (not forgetting that the Republic doesn’t actually want the north – it is an economic basket case in near-Venezualan proportions, with just under 28% of the working population in public sector jobs – and the Republic is most definately not going to pick up the tab for that). You would have to be a total spanner to try and fit the north in this EU debacle. (especially being as Greater Manchester has a larger population and a larger economy and that’s just a ‘county’)

Let´s for a moment think the unthinkable. You are currently in a union with England, Scotland and NI. If that union fractures into two or three pieces need it be taken for granted that you will stick with England. Why not demand to remain with Scotland (and NI??) Europe is fast coming around to the idea of seeing Scotland as the UK´s successor state, which means in effect that it´s England that will be leaving the UK. Why not stay with Scotland and be in the rUK (comes with added EU benefits). Now that would really turn the tables on Little Engerland 🙂

Good point, like it was said last time around with indy ref #1 in Scotland that once independence was attained we could then vote as a nation on EU/NATO/Monarchy … yes or no.

The current problem though is one of logistics. Scotland is trying, and may very well succeed, in leaving the UK without leaving the EU (so not having to go through years and years of disadvantage and tedious negotiations to get back in). It will either quit the UK before the UK leaves the EU due to careful timing and clever footwork, or else with the goodwill of Europe be consigned to a special kind of legal limbo, neither in nor out, while all the loose ends are tied up.

It might just be possible, in theory at least, for NI and (even more theoretically?) Wales to come along for the ride. At least continued EU membership with all the funding and other benefits, would be a good carrot to bring people around to an independent Wales, assuming that was the only way you could stay in. But if I understand you correctly you want to separate Welsh independence from EU membership. The sequence would then be :
1. Get thrown out of the EU with England;
2. Campaign for independence;
3. Vote on rejoining the EU (or not as it suits you).

But, how will you achieve (2) without the ´carrot´ to sway a large swathe of voters? And even then there´s no certainty of (3), once you´re out you´re out, and who knows how the internal politics of the EU will shape up several years in the future. There´s no guarantee that they´ll want Wales to join, or may simply demand unacceptable conditions of entry.

As I see it the root of all this is that over the past decades Scottish independence has slowly progressed, using the devolved parliament as means to advance the cause, with an SNP government behaving more and more like an independent country and challenging Westminster. Whereas in Wales a tame Labour government has simply acted as a colonial administration. Plaid have simply failed to grasp the initiative and use the assembly to their advantage. I can see it´s all a bit chicken-and-egg, but they haven´t really inspired enough of the electorate.

Which BTW I think is a great pity, and I worry for the fate of a Wales shackled to LittleEngland.