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		By: David Smith		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-35059</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2019 23:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34108&quot;&gt;Dafis&lt;/a&gt;.

What&#039;s that saying, about when someone uses a lot of words but doesn&#039;t actually say anything? This guy has not laid bare one iota of wrongdoing by May that has him seemingly so rankled. He&#039;s just having a scatter-gun rant from what I can see.]]></description>
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<p>What&#8217;s that saying, about when someone uses a lot of words but doesn&#8217;t actually say anything? This guy has not laid bare one iota of wrongdoing by May that has him seemingly so rankled. He&#8217;s just having a scatter-gun rant from what I can see.</p>
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		By: Eos Pengwern		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 22:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34160&quot;&gt;Red Flag&lt;/a&gt;.

I hadn&#039;t heard he was quite at that level, but he&#039;s worked hard and done well. From what I&#039;ve read, he did an apprenticeship in aircraft maintenance at Luton Airport, but didn&#039;t get a job at the end because he completed it just after 9/11 and the airline industry was in a slump (although some less charitable people point out that he had his first conviction around this time, for getting into a fight with a police officer).

He retrained as a plumber and regularly worked overnight shifts in central London, which I imagine must have paid pretty well. In due course it seems he did some property investment, buying properties in Luton, doing them up and selling them on. As I understand it, his main source of income apart from those who fund his political activities is a sun tanning salon business, again in Luton, which came about when he had the opportunity to buy and refurbish the building. In his book (which I&#039;ve read, hence my knowledge of the above), he says he&#039;s very proud of the fact that from the day it opened he had all the signage done bilingually in English and Polish, the local Polish population forming the bulk of his customer base. Once again, hardly the actions of a racist.

I&#039;m still not entirely sure what to make of Tommy Robinson. Without doubt he&#039;s a bit of a loose cannon. But I really do not believe he is a racist, far less a fascist, and I&#039;m appalled at the way that he&#039;s been treated by the legal system and the media.

Oh, by the way, I did look at the sticker-encrusted road sign near my office in Wrexham and couldn&#039;t see any Antifa stickers there. I think most of the stickers were put on it when Wales were playing Trinidad at the Racecourse Ground in March - a great night for the town. I&#039;m hanging on to my Plaid Ifanc anti-fascist sticker from Caernarfon last Saturday - which was stuck to my flag rather than to my person, so it was defacement of property rather than assault. I just wish that Plaid would be serious about opposing racism and distance themselves from the Labour Party, whose anti-semitism makes them the only openly racist party in these islands.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34160">Red Flag</a>.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t heard he was quite at that level, but he&#8217;s worked hard and done well. From what I&#8217;ve read, he did an apprenticeship in aircraft maintenance at Luton Airport, but didn&#8217;t get a job at the end because he completed it just after 9/11 and the airline industry was in a slump (although some less charitable people point out that he had his first conviction around this time, for getting into a fight with a police officer).</p>
<p>He retrained as a plumber and regularly worked overnight shifts in central London, which I imagine must have paid pretty well. In due course it seems he did some property investment, buying properties in Luton, doing them up and selling them on. As I understand it, his main source of income apart from those who fund his political activities is a sun tanning salon business, again in Luton, which came about when he had the opportunity to buy and refurbish the building. In his book (which I&#8217;ve read, hence my knowledge of the above), he says he&#8217;s very proud of the fact that from the day it opened he had all the signage done bilingually in English and Polish, the local Polish population forming the bulk of his customer base. Once again, hardly the actions of a racist.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m still not entirely sure what to make of Tommy Robinson. Without doubt he&#8217;s a bit of a loose cannon. But I really do not believe he is a racist, far less a fascist, and I&#8217;m appalled at the way that he&#8217;s been treated by the legal system and the media.</p>
<p>Oh, by the way, I did look at the sticker-encrusted road sign near my office in Wrexham and couldn&#8217;t see any Antifa stickers there. I think most of the stickers were put on it when Wales were playing Trinidad at the Racecourse Ground in March &#8211; a great night for the town. I&#8217;m hanging on to my Plaid Ifanc anti-fascist sticker from Caernarfon last Saturday &#8211; which was stuck to my flag rather than to my person, so it was defacement of property rather than assault. I just wish that Plaid would be serious about opposing racism and distance themselves from the Labour Party, whose anti-semitism makes them the only openly racist party in these islands.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34166</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34077&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

We need a dual carriageway starting at the A55 at Llandudno Junction, banging through Snowdonia - and it&#039;s not that difficult to bore tunnels through mountains , China does it all the time, running down to the M4 between Cardiff and Swansea.   At the same time we need a two-track rail line running parallel.

Then extend the M54 all the way to Aberystwyth along with a rail line from Birmingham.

Develop the coast road running down the west coast,  link up the rail line from Bangor, via Caernarfon, down to Aberystwyth. Fishguard and Pembroke Dock.

Wales will never develop to it&#039;s full economic potential without decent infrastructure.  And if you draw all that on a map, you&#039;ll realise that Hol;yhead to Cardiff becomes a two hour drive (same with train) and that virtually everywhere is no more than a 3 hour drive from anywhere else. And a decent train route that follows a logical plan encourages people off the roads.  Northern Ireland has a better road and rail network than Wales.]]></description>
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<p>We need a dual carriageway starting at the A55 at Llandudno Junction, banging through Snowdonia &#8211; and it&#8217;s not that difficult to bore tunnels through mountains , China does it all the time, running down to the M4 between Cardiff and Swansea.   At the same time we need a two-track rail line running parallel.</p>
<p>Then extend the M54 all the way to Aberystwyth along with a rail line from Birmingham.</p>
<p>Develop the coast road running down the west coast,  link up the rail line from Bangor, via Caernarfon, down to Aberystwyth. Fishguard and Pembroke Dock.</p>
<p>Wales will never develop to it&#8217;s full economic potential without decent infrastructure.  And if you draw all that on a map, you&#8217;ll realise that Hol;yhead to Cardiff becomes a two hour drive (same with train) and that virtually everywhere is no more than a 3 hour drive from anywhere else. And a decent train route that follows a logical plan encourages people off the roads.  Northern Ireland has a better road and rail network than Wales.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 14:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34053&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

And the Gwynedd Remain majority was mainly from Bangor Uni students.]]></description>
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<p>And the Gwynedd Remain majority was mainly from Bangor Uni students.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34160</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34035&quot;&gt;Jac&lt;/a&gt;.

Robinson was also part of the Quilliam Foundation against extremism alongside the LBC radio presenter Maajid Nawaz  ( a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood and imprisoned and tortured for such by Egypt).

What many people also don&#039;t realise about Robinson is that he&#039;s a self-made millionaire.]]></description>
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<p>Robinson was also part of the Quilliam Foundation against extremism alongside the LBC radio presenter Maajid Nawaz  ( a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood and imprisoned and tortured for such by Egypt).</p>
<p>What many people also don&#8217;t realise about Robinson is that he&#8217;s a self-made millionaire.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 11:04:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34050&quot;&gt;Dafydd&lt;/a&gt;.

&lt;i&gt; (and the U.K. was teaching members of the royal family the Heil salute)&lt;/i&gt;

That was diplomacy.  All politicians etc had to give the salute when meeting German officials. It was the official formal greeting.  Even the UKs pacifist movement did it when German officials met them in London.  And the 1938 World Cup ( https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/78nbgd/the-day-englands-footballers-gave-the-nazi-salute ).  The Great Britain soccer team in the 36 Olympics refused to do it (although most of the rest of the GB team did) although they did all shake Hitlers hand. They were also given a dressing-down by the Olympic Committee for being disrespectful.  Aston Villa&#039;s team caaptain and a couple of others also did it when playing Stuttgart ( https://appeasement.blog/aston-villas-double-nazi-salute/ ).

Some though took the piss.   When Boothby met a high ranking German official, the official snapped his arm up and said Heil Hitler to which Boothby snapped his arm up and said Heil Boothby.]]></description>
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<p><i> (and the U.K. was teaching members of the royal family the Heil salute)</i></p>
<p>That was diplomacy.  All politicians etc had to give the salute when meeting German officials. It was the official formal greeting.  Even the UKs pacifist movement did it when German officials met them in London.  And the 1938 World Cup ( <a href="https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/78nbgd/the-day-englands-footballers-gave-the-nazi-salute" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/78nbgd/the-day-englands-footballers-gave-the-nazi-salute</a> ).  The Great Britain soccer team in the 36 Olympics refused to do it (although most of the rest of the GB team did) although they did all shake Hitlers hand. They were also given a dressing-down by the Olympic Committee for being disrespectful.  Aston Villa&#8217;s team caaptain and a couple of others also did it when playing Stuttgart ( <a href="https://appeasement.blog/aston-villas-double-nazi-salute/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://appeasement.blog/aston-villas-double-nazi-salute/</a> ).</p>
<p>Some though took the piss.   When Boothby met a high ranking German official, the official snapped his arm up and said Heil Hitler to which Boothby snapped his arm up and said Heil Boothby.</p>
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		By: Red Flag		</title>
		<link>https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34157</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jul 2019 10:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34048&quot;&gt;Dafydd&lt;/a&gt;.

Anglesey/Ynys Mon - the most north westerly part of Wales,  voted Leave.  Why do Remainers continually peddle nonsense.]]></description>
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<p>Anglesey/Ynys Mon &#8211; the most north westerly part of Wales,  voted Leave.  Why do Remainers continually peddle nonsense.</p>
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		By: Dafis		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 07:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spot of bile from a BritNat commenting about May on the Guido site :

This humourless, flat-footed woman did as much damage to Britain as Neville Chamberlain. Except without the decency and the honesty. It doesn&#039;t matter how she attempts to portray her herself as honest and doing her best. She was both inept and deeply dishonest. She should be reviled. No one should be under any misapprehension of the damage this properly stupid woman did to Britain. The key point is that she was too dense to understand. What has Britain done to deserve so obvious a succession of the hopeless and the cretinous in No. 10. Beginning with Major. Continuing with the No. 1 Spiv Blair. Then Brown, bitter and barmy. Then Cameron, the spiv re-invented. And then May, the clod-hopper personified, determined to the very end to betray her country.

Obviously expects a lot of &quot;redemption&quot; from Boris ! Seeing that lot crumble should be quite entertaining.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spot of bile from a BritNat commenting about May on the Guido site :</p>
<p>This humourless, flat-footed woman did as much damage to Britain as Neville Chamberlain. Except without the decency and the honesty. It doesn&#8217;t matter how she attempts to portray her herself as honest and doing her best. She was both inept and deeply dishonest. She should be reviled. No one should be under any misapprehension of the damage this properly stupid woman did to Britain. The key point is that she was too dense to understand. What has Britain done to deserve so obvious a succession of the hopeless and the cretinous in No. 10. Beginning with Major. Continuing with the No. 1 Spiv Blair. Then Brown, bitter and barmy. Then Cameron, the spiv re-invented. And then May, the clod-hopper personified, determined to the very end to betray her country.</p>
<p>Obviously expects a lot of &#8220;redemption&#8221; from Boris ! Seeing that lot crumble should be quite entertaining.</p>
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		By: David Smith		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 02:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34079&quot;&gt;Eos Pengwern&lt;/a&gt;.

Oh and I have read that article before, twas a good read.]]></description>
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<p>Oh and I have read that article before, twas a good read.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jul 2019 02:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://jacothenorth.net/blog/brexit-boris-nigel-and-independence/#comment-34081&quot;&gt;David Smith&lt;/a&gt;.

This is in reply to your comment below Jac, it won&#039;t let me reply directly to it. You make good points, especially about affluent Marcher settlements. I&#039;ve mentioned it before on your Twitter I&#039;m sure, the definite frontier of affluence between the English counties and Welsh ones that straddle the border is like night and day. Why is this the case when for centuries there was no real administrative divide, nor is there any geographical one like a valley or wide river. In this scenario wouldn&#039;t one expect affluence to gradually peter out rather than just drop off like a cliff edge once you leave Cheshire (to be said with a hard &quot;I&quot; for extra snooty effect).]]></description>
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<p>This is in reply to your comment below Jac, it won&#8217;t let me reply directly to it. You make good points, especially about affluent Marcher settlements. I&#8217;ve mentioned it before on your Twitter I&#8217;m sure, the definite frontier of affluence between the English counties and Welsh ones that straddle the border is like night and day. Why is this the case when for centuries there was no real administrative divide, nor is there any geographical one like a valley or wide river. In this scenario wouldn&#8217;t one expect affluence to gradually peter out rather than just drop off like a cliff edge once you leave Cheshire (to be said with a hard &#8220;I&#8221; for extra snooty effect).</p>
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