Jan 232017
 

If you read this blog regularly you’ll know about the takeover of Cantref, a housing association based in Newcastle Emlyn, by Wales and West Housing of Cardiff, a company with strong links to the Labour Party. For those catching up, I advise starting with the post Cantref: ‘Welsh’ Labour Takeover Challenged? To give some chronological marker, the takeover was officially registered with the Financial Conduct Authority 19 September 2016.

Even before the takeover I was receiving information from a person or persons I must assume were ‘in the know’. This information came by a number of routes, and was of varying degrees of confidentiality; what came as comments to this blog I can use in full, but information received by more discreet routes will require more circumspect treatment.

Let’s start with a comment from July 2015. Two points from it are worth noting. First, I believe the “something else going on” is a reference to the increasing suspicion that Cantref was about to be sold down the river. Second, the reference to “David Hedges of Cyngor Da” (Good Counsel/Advice) was a little confusing at the time because Hedges is a consultant and Cyngor Da is his company, yet he’s described as one of Cantref’s directors.

I shall return to our Dai, son of Glamorgan cricketer the late Bernard Hedges, later.

As we now know, Cantref was indeed sold down the river, taken over by Wales and West Housing of Cardiff, ‘Welsh’ Labour’s favourite housing association. (Though the ‘Association’ bit was dropped from the name in 2012, now it’s just Wales and West Housing.)

As the takeover was going through I was being told about Wales and West “surveyors” evaluating Cantref’s stock and joking about taking down opposition party – mainly Plaid Cymru – placards and posters from WWH properties in the Cardiff West constituency during last year’s Assembly election campaign. There was no attempt to hide the fact that Wales and West Housing is ‘Welsh’ Labour by another name.

Something else I was hearing through other channels – though I confess I paid little attention at the time – was that Wales and West is linked somehow with the Mid Wales Housing Association. Now MWH inherited much of its stock, either directly or indirectly, from the Development Board for Rural Wales, that agency set up to ‘repopulate’ the five counties of central Wales. Part of the DBRW strategy included building homes for ‘key workers’, which in practice meant housing the complete workforces of relocating English companies or factories.

As I say, I should have paid more attention to this Mid Wales Housing reference if only because something interesting had emerged a few years earlier.

The nub of the story I’m referring to can be found in this news item from 2012 which tells that the Development Board for Rural Wales borrowed money at 14% interest over 50 years to build those ‘key worker’ houses, and when the DBRW (together with the Land Authority for Wales) was merged with the Welsh Development Agency in October 1998 that debt was transferred to the ‘Welsh’ Government.

Which if you think about it was odd . . . if not impossible.

Because the devolution referendum was held on September 18th 1997 and the first Assembly elections on May 6th 1999. Which means that when this transfer was effected in 1998 there was a devolutionary void. The transfer was therefore accomplished by Westminster, and this saw our incoming AMs confronted with a fait accompli. (Makes you wonder what else might have been dumped on our Assembly before it came into existence.)

In addition to the news story there was an interesting discussion on the blog of Montgomeryshire Tory MP Glyn Davies. Davies was the last chief executive of the DBRW.

Now we hear of deals being struck between Mid Wales Housing, Wales and West Housing and an unnamed English housing association to bring in tenants to Llandrindod. The ‘Paul Diggery’ referred to is Paul Diggory, currently chair of the Chartered Institute of Housing in Wales, and before that, for over 15 years, chief executive of North Wales Housing.

The ‘Ann Hinchy’ mentioned is Anne Hinchey, chief executive of Wales and West Housing, wife of Graham Hinchey, Labour councillor for the Heath ward in Cardiff.

Naturally, I tried to make enquiries about WWH developments in Llandrindod. Turning to Google I came up with this . . . but the link is broken. I was unable to find anything for Llandrindod on the Wales and West website, either.

So what ‘Jonny English’ seems to be saying is that Wales and West Housing, with its HQ in Cardiff, its new western office (the former Cantref office) in Castell Newydd Emlyn, it’s northern base on Deeside, is now trying to get a footprint in the middle by linking up with Mid Wales Housing and some English housing association.

Entirely predictable, because when we look at who’s running MWH we see the usual English mediocrities staring back at us from the Executive Group page. Without whom we’d still be living in caves.

I’m sure ‘Jonny English’ will read this, as will others with information, so please let me have more details, most importantly, the name of the English housing association involved in this scheme. I’d also appreciate clarification on the relationship between WWH, MWH and the English outfit (the one from England).

Let us return now to David Hedges. After being at Cantref when the transfer to Wales and West was arranged, the word on the street is that he’s now ensconced at Pembrokeshire Housing! What can it mean?

Again, for newcomers, or those with short memories, Pembrokeshire Housing is a body I have written about many, many times. Not just the parent body but also its bonny offspring Mill Bay Homes. I suggest you start here with Mill Bay Homes and Pembrokeshire Housing and then Mill Bay Homes and Pembrokeshire Housing 2.

The set-up is as follows. (And here I have to be careful cos writing about this lot has resulted in Jac getting solicitor’s letters.) Pembrokeshire Housing appears to be a normal housing association, grabbing its whack from the Welsh public purse to build social housing, much of which is allocated to persons and families having no previous connection with the area, or indeed with Wales.

Back around 2011 someone came up with the wheeze of using the dormant Pembrokeshire Housing Two Thousand Ltd to build properties and sell them on the open market. The name was soon changed to Mill Bay Homes. Now, after £7m+ has been transferred from parent to subsidiary, and houses built for retirees, investors, and friends of the MBH management, it seems that questions are – belatedly – being asked about this highly unusual arrangement.

This might explain the recent ‘retirement’ of Peter Maggs, Pembrokeshire Housing’s chief executive, and the arrival of David Hedges as – so ‘Dai the Post’ tells us – interim housing director.

Even allowing for the fact that within the social housing racket field in Wales there are bound to be connections and linkages, there seem to be far too many between Cantref, Pembrokeshire Housing, Wales and West and Campbell Tickell, of whom more in a moment.

As I said at the outset, David Hedges appeared in Cantref just before it was handed over to Wales and West Housing, like some harbinger of doom. Now we hear that he’s involved with Pembrokeshire Housing, and we’re also told that Wales and West is again manoeuvring into position to pounce. Interestingly, if we consult David Hedges’ Linkedin profile we see that he has worked for Wales and West. (If you can’t access the Linkedin profile click here for a downloaded version.)

UPDATE 26.01.2017: An anonymous source tells me that Dai Hedges is more of a fire-fighter than an assassin, sent in when things are going pear-shaped. Which may be true, but won’t be much consolation to those at Pembrokeshire Housing.

I’m reasonably certain that Jonny English is somewhere in the north, while Dai the Post is probably in the south west, so it’s interesting that both mention Campbell Tickell; which gives me the opportunity to explain for late arrivals where this management consultancy fits into the big picture.

Campbell Tickell is the company of Greg Campbell and James Tickell, both Labour Party supporters. And as his Linkedin profile tells us, Campbell has even worked for the party. Also note the reference to Common Purpose, that shadowy, some say sinister, Labour-leaning, globalist organisation for professionals in public life.

In addition to being rather suspect in its motivation and workings Common Purpose has a distinctly contemptuous attitude towards Wales. Check out this list of CP’s programmes for 2017. Scotland and Northern Ireland are covered, as are the regions of England (even individual cities in Scotland and England), but Wales might as well not exist. Search for ‘Wales’ on the Common Purpose website and you’ll turn up this little story about Chinese students on a flying visit to the Assembly in December 2015, nothing more.

Here we have a network that results in English appointees to many Welsh jobs. On the ground, it operates thus. ‘Welsh’ Labour helps its very own housing association to expand within Wales to the point where – already the largest – Wales and West Housing becomes dominant. (What’s the next stage?) To avoid accusations of cronyism it passes the recruitment process to Campbell Tickell, a Labour-supporting Common Purpose recruitment agency.

This procedure is not confined to housing associations, it can be found across public life in Wales, to the extent that I sometimes wonder if devolution is nothing but a scam to create a few thousand jobs for our neighbours in the £50,000+ salary bracket. Worth asking because devolution is achieving sod all for us Welsh.

This system satisfies two vaguely linked agendas.

On the one hand, it helps the Labour Party compensate for its declining electoral support by spreading the party’s influence, via Wales and West Housing and other agencies, into areas where many would rather Glasgow kiss a rough stone wall than vote Labour. Areas such as Ceredigion, Pembrokeshire, Powys.

But the system also serves the agenda of civil servants in Cardiff and elsewhere, who answer to mandarins in London, and whose overarching ambition is to keep a check on – even roll back – devolution. One of the best ways of achieving this to ensure that as few Welsh people as possible fill positions of authority. This creates the impression that we Welsh can do nothing for ourselves and also comes in useful when ‘consultations’ are undertaken to determine future policy direction.

All of which brings us back to my post earlier this month Housing Associations: Secret or Public?, in which I explained why Labour politicians and civil servants wish to maintain the secretive status of our public funds-guzzling housing associations. I suggest you read it.

And if you have a beef with a housing association then there’s no point in appealing to Nick Bennett, the Public Services Ombudsman for Wales. Bennett was CEO of Community Housing Cymru, the umbrella organisation for housing associations, from July 2006 until July 2014. Bennett is also close to ‘Welsh’ Labour, having been in business with a former Labour minister.

HE’S NOT AND HE IS (if you want to watch the video click here)

To take the explanation a stage further, we have a system of social housing, increasingly controlled at national level and managed at local level by people who know nothing about Wales and without any concern for – or even contemptuous of – Welsh identity, using vast sums of Welsh public funding, and regularly housing people with no connection to Wales. Because of course social housing in Wales is locked into an Englandandwales system. I have that on impeccable authority.

Back in early December 2010 I wrote a reader’s letter to the Wasting Mule seeking answers from Nick Bennett to a number of points. Instead of publishing it the Letters Editor passed my questions on to Bennett who then e-mailed me directly, saying: “Strong local connection cannot be the only acceptable qualification for social housing in Wales. Social housing is a scarce resource for homeless people and those on low incomes who can’t access housing in the private sector. There are over 2 million people on waiting lists for social housing”.

Wales is the most corrupt country in Europe because it suits so many to have it that way. This corruption helps the Labour Party in Wales maintain power and influence despite declining support at the ballot box. Facilitated by Common Purpose and other bodies, this corruption discredits devolution and thereby strengthens England’s hold on Wales to the point where assimilation will have been achieved before most of us realise it.

If I was working for Pembrokeshire Housing I’d be getting worried now, because the vultures are circling – they may already have landed! And yet, just like Cantref, you brought it on yourselves, in your case with the insane decision to fund a private house builder subsidiary. And what will happen to Mill Bay Homes when Wales and West Housing takes over?

To understand how this system of colonialist corruption operates you have to recognise and understand the linkages, how they influence and contaminate public life in Wales. Social housing is the perfect example because it brings together so many threads. And it explains why the ‘Welsh’ Government and the civil servants who ‘advise’ it want to save housing associations from public scrutiny.

But don’t think for one minute that the corruption is confined to our housing associations. Corruption is endemic in Welsh public life – because it’s encouraged.

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dafis
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just a quick first response to this post – Given that W&W Housing is taking over other social housing providers and developing “strategic” relationships in other parts of Wales, is it fair to presume that these moves are the foundation for a fait accompli ?

That, as and when Government declares the creation of a National Housing Authority it will do a quick name change and use the existing body Wales & West with a few tweaks and modifications to discharge the operational aspects of such a new entity. Neat, as it will ensure that the existing loyalist crew will be preserved plus creating some new non exec sinecures on the Authority Board for even more of Welsh Labour’s great and good clique. And, if it’s renationalised by the Cynulliad as part of such a grand design someone will benefit from such a transfer of loot, and it won’t be the tenants or rank and file staff.

Paul Luckock
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This post from Jac raises more questions than answers always a good thing? If I get the gist of this complex story,especially if you consider the historical back story, there are two major points being asserted.

1. The governors and leading professionals of these housing associations are largely illegitimate in the sense of whether they are Welsh or English because of their close connections with the Labour Party and in Jac and others judgement there first interest is there own status and income and thus ensuring the power and control of the Labour Party in Wales is maintained. A self supporting arrangement. A particular concern being that these Labour Party connections are not explicit and transparentto the majority of citizens.

2. Secondly that these housing associations are illegitimate because they significantly allocate affordable housing to migrants to Wales. The suggestion is that this also bolsters Labour by possibly ensuring new residents are more likely to vote for Labour either because they had previous leanings towards Labour and or because they are just grateful to have an affordable house.

I know this simplifies the argument somewhat but this explains the general tenor.

Now for me and maybe others there are some key questions to ask. If others wanted to take up positions as Governors/Directors and/or leading professional officers of these associations what criteria would make them legitimate? It appears Jac wants them first and foremost to be Welsh speaking residents of Wales, secondly with no connections with the Labour Party or for that matter any political party, technocrats with the appropriate knowledge and skills to do the job efficiently and effectively. The suggestion being that their is a large army of such people wanting to take up these positions but are frustrated because their faces do not fit with the Labour Party.

Further in response to point 2 above Jac and others seem to only want affordable housing built that meets the needs of local longstanding Welsh residents. There is a little dilemma here referred to in other writings where correspondents acknowledge the problem of Welsh speaking residents leaving Wales to earn a living and the local businesses and services suffering as a result, so some acknowledgement that Wales needs some migration to bolster the economy nationally and locally. However, what the valid compromise is between these two positions is not clearly described. There is also some struggling over whether we need housing associations at all and whether the state either through local government or central government should allocate affordable housing to those unable to afford private rented accommodation or house/flat purchase.

I think it would be useful for correspondents to scope out their solutions to these issues. I myself am still reflecting and grappling with them but will attempt to come up with some ideas in the future.

One of the things I really struggle with is the apparent lack of motivation by AMs to ask questions about the stories that Jac and others bring into the public domain. The consequence is that many of the people described and involved have a real nonchalance to any sense of accountability, hence when they move on from one well paid post, even though their their was significant failure, they move into another high paid post. What happens in housing is also true of the NHS.

This causes an enormous sense of grievance from many hard working people and in my judgement was yet another influence on the Welsh vote for BREXIT. It is that regular I just cannot believe it moment!

Wynne
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Interesting post again. Difficult to keep up with all the changes now underway. And where does this leave the current on-going inquiry by Public Accounts Committee into the regulatory oversight of housing associations in Wales. I hope committee members are “tuned-in” to your blog Jac.

Big Gee
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This is what it’s about – plain & simple . . . .

dafis
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Well diawl erioed, where did you get that photo ? I didn’t realise that Carwyn and ART Davies visited the same trough. Who’s the third bloke ? Or is it Helen Mary without make up ?

Wynne
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I like the photo Big Gee. Sometimes an image is better than a thousand words. Very appropriate.

Brychan
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There’s also been another interesting acquisition this month.

The Kaleidoscope Project Limited (05480423), is a charity which was based in Kingston-Upon-Thames providing ‘multi-agency’ assistance to the druggies, alcoholics and the homeless opened up ‘hostels’ in Newport (Gwent) amply funded with a few hundred grand worth of investment from the Welsh Government, has been expanding, shortly after parachuting into Wales.

They have just bought Nightingale Social (10049991) a Wirral based outfit, also specialising in providing assistance ‘multi agency assistance’ to the druggies, alcoholics and the homeless. The HQ has just moved to Integra House on the Celtic Springs Business Park, Newport.

One of the directors was a Labour Councillor for the Wirral when the deal was done. The Nightingale Social acquisition (Arch project), according to their latest annual report is to expand their current footprint of Bolton, Shropshire, Bradford, Merseyside, into…..North Wales.

Links…
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/05480423/filing-history
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/10049991/filing-history
http://democracy.wirral.gov.uk/mgUserInfo.aspx?UID=183

Paul Luckock
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This is a means and ends issue for me. There are homeless, drug and alcohol addicted people living in Wales, we collectively have to take care of them or leave them to deteriorate further and die even earlier. Collectively we do this through the state. Your argument is valid by out sourcing this responsibility to others ( the means) do we get value for money for the taxpayer or the best outcomes for the citizens not coping with living ( the ends ).

dafis
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Paul you need to understand that our objections focus on the importing of dysfunctional, problem and criminal units from elsewhere in the U.K while Wales remains incapable of dealing effectively with those similar problems that arise within our own native or long term residents. It is scandalous that bodies reliant on the public purse can make an industry out of the “trafficking” of misery. As I said earlier people with deep seated problems should be managed by their own communities not be part of some perverse “pass the parcel” game.

Brychan
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New signs in Yorkshire have been confusing locals…..
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Paul Luckock
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Dafis I do understand what you are saying. However, Welsh residents daily have to go to other places in the UK for health treatment because we have not got the specialist health and social care here this includes people with physical disabilities, learning difficulties, mental health and a vast range of health complaints. This also includes looked after children and young people who reside in a range of services from foster care to institutional care. Many of these diverse people then end up rehoused in the UK and do not return to Wales. On any particular day Wales cannot treat or care for its own Welsh residents, so we have people crossing the border in both directions.
I accept that private companies that run some of these facilities are very worrying they provide accommodation where property is cheap and social care labour is cheap so many of these establishments are in rural areas throughout the UK, the Welsh complaint is mirrored by other rural communities in Scotland, Northern Ireland and England. I am also conscious that a small number of patients have gone to European countries.

Local to me their is a large social care industry that employs many people caring for English residents paid for by English Local Authorities with learning difficulties and mental health needs. I worry greatly about the effectiveness of the inspectorate in monitoring these institutions, as the local authorities and Betsi Health Board report many of these people have not had Deprivation of Liberty Safeguard assessments or regular reviews. The Welsh Government appears completely indifferent to this reality.

Many of these people are directed to the venues they end up by the public bodied that pay for their care costs it is a very worrying market.

Brychan
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Paul…

(a) Referals and elective treatment.
Example, Swansea has a world class burns unit and gets to invoice the NHS trusts refered to it for patients in SW England. Conversely, the NHS trust in Shropshire gets to invoice Hywel Dda Health Board for out-patients treated in England which are registered to a GP practice in border parts of Powys. The funding is re-invoiced and ‘balanced’

(b) A&E.
If an ambulance scrapes a patient off the road in Cheshire and the sat-nav finds that the Wrexham Maelor is quicker, that’s where the patient is taken. If an ambulance scrapes a patient off the road in eastern Powys and the sat-nav finds that the Shrewsbury General is quicker, that’s where the patient is taken. There is no funding balance but the headcount works out 50/50 in an average year.

There is, however, Yr Wyddfa issue. This is a helicopter parked at Ysbyty Gwynedd, which is often used as taxi for idiot English people who fall off mountains wearing daps.

(c) Dead Bodies.
All people who die in hospital are taken to the mortuary. This is the practice in England and in Wales. The body is claimed, usually by family, and released with the issue of a death certificate. There are twice as many English claims on a body in a Welsh mortuary as Welsh claims on a body in an English mortuary. The sickest and the oldest are, by far, the most expensive to treat, and the most likely to die.

The cross-border issues with the NHS is marginal, for ‘active patients’.
There is a cross-border issue if measured by deaths.

Most English people to die in Wales are elderly or long-term sick, the most expensive burden on the NHS. These are patients who have migrated to Wales to retire and/or have existing health issues. These are, by definition, already registered with a Welsh GP.

(e) Social Care.
This is defined in statute as being a responsibility of local authorities. The statutory provision. In Scotland the additional ‘charity’ provision is restricted by legislation, so must operate within a local authority footprint. In England and Wales, this does not apply. So the third sector not only operates across local authority boundaries but also across the national boundary. This results in “social cleansing” within England and also importing problem individuals and ‘vulnerable groups’ into Wales.

Paul Luckock
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I do not dispute some of the information you provide above. But some of this conversation feels a bit “Trump like” we will build a wall to keep out the “Mexican rapists and drug dealers”.

What I am saying is that on any day health, social care and education professionals have to assess adults, young people and children with a range of health conditions, physical disabilities, learning difficulties, addictions, criminal convictions and anti-social behaviour, they draw up health, care and education plans for some their liberty will be deprived, some children and young people will be in the public care system. In the vast majority of cases health, care and education is provided as near as possible to their home if they have one but on any day finding the appropriate accommodation and care is problematic that is why whether they are Welsh residents or English residents they can be placed many miles from their home in any direction.

I do not dispute that companies or Third Sector organisations set up provision in parts of the UK where accommodation is cheap, land and house prices and also the availability of cheap social care labour. Also some politicians involvement in this maybe less than savoury. If it’s new provision it can be challenged through all the normal regulatory mechanisms but much of this provision is longstanding and historical ie we have a large social care industry locally as a consequence of the legacy of the old Denbigh hospital. This provision will take “customers” on any day if the funders meet the registration and eligibility criteria. As someone in a past life who was involved in these processes you were so grateful on any particular day to find a safe place for the vulnerable citizen temporarily or more longer term to reside. Whether they had to cross the border to England or Wales was not very significant as the statutory duty was their immediate and longer term welfare. You did always wherever possible take account of the persons wishes and feelings and implement them.

What I am saying is that local communities have to democratically decide on their reason for being that will change over time. If communities do not want to become dormitory towns or accommodate the social care industry or some other economic consequence it can challenge that through the present law or if it does not like the law change the law to restrict local development and change. My local council, Conwy County Borough Council, controlled by coalition of Plaid, Independents and Labour, led by a Plaid leader who pays his council tax on receipt of a court summons, appears supportive of the areas reason for being to be tourism, agriculture, with a significant commuting population east and west and also a very significant health and social care provision, this status quo is not greatly challenged by the electorate.

Some Welsh communities are struggling to work out how their residents will earn a living in the future, their maybe a very significant retired population, there is where I live which requires substantial health and social care provision, some decide to leave usually to find a means of earning a living. Young people I know locally have gone in significant numbers to Australia, New Zealand, Canada and Europe, my own son went for a significant period to live and work in Canada before he returned, my daughter’s boyfriend spent a significant period working in Australia. I myself went and lived and worked for six months in Italy because I could not get thework I wanted locally.This is the reality today that our politicians are refusing to fully engage with.

Also as someone who has climbed and walked the hills of Wales and the rest of the world since a young child, I will be 63 this year and get up them most weeks, can I assure you I know of fellow Welsh residents that have had accidents in the hills and have required the services of the NHS. Fortunately I have never required their services but in my younger days more by luck than judgement.
It is not always English or International tourists that benefit.

dafis
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Paul – It appears that Brychan got his contribution in ahead of me so I won’t reiterate much of what he says. It’s a simple matter of financial arithmetic on one level – people residing in one authority getting treated in another should, and probably does, generate an invoice and a payment in settlement for the service rendered. No harm done.

However the adoption of a relocation policy where people with long term “social problems” who often bring health problems with them do not attract any form of payment because they become residents of that new area, be it Ceredigion ( Hywel Dda NHS ) Rhyl ( Bets Cad..) or even sunny Maesteg (ABM NHS ).

The real cost however is in housing these people which is initially with private sector landlords ( funded by benefit streams ) while a lot of them are queued for 3rd sector housing ( public funding ) or contrive to jump that queue because the authority wishing to relocate them have “arrangements” with Welsh H.A’s.

The other hidden cost, but sticking up like a sore thumb, relates to older folk retiring to Wales. Advancing old age correlates almost directly with heavier usage of health and care services. In parts of Wales this is an issue, generally away from the larger urban clusters where health services have already been run down to a modest level of provision.

Andy
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If it transpires that David Hedges has been parachuted into Pembrokeshire Housing Association by the Welsh Government, this would reaffirm the decision of the Office for National Statistics (ONS) to reclassify Housing Associations . As stated on the Community Housing Cymru website: “the ONS have reclassified them as public sector bodies because of the level of state involvement in the way they operate”.

The Welsh Government have already vowed to reverse the ONS decision, despite the ongoing Public Accounts Committee inquiry into the funding of HAs, so does it not follow that to reverse the ONS reclassification decision any alternative arrangement would require an arms length approach to governance by the ‘state.For this to happen the Labour led government would need to curb their natural interventionist instincts and just hand over our cash without question, well the latter is certainly feasible,

Your theory of a role for Wales & West as a super HA could be a tempting way for Sergeant & Co to off load the problem to a company that shares their beliefs, whilst escaping from the ONS classification. We can be sure that any decisions regarding the future of HAs will be made in the usual opaque way and we the taxpayers will be the last to know. Jac you have been criticised, even threatened with legal action, for questioning how our hard earned money is appropriated and distributed, for the sake of our nation please keep probing as ‘they don’t like it up em!’.

dafis
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last week Cymdeithas irritated the Plaid Chair of some Cynulliad committee by announcing they were not going to treat the UKIP member with the full dose of respect expected. Today I read on Golwg that another UKIP A.M has been sounding off about the commitment to teaching of Welsh in schools, which was a pretty quick justification in my book for the original stance take by Cymdeithas towards these poisonous creeps. What really surprised me was the disclosure in the readers comments that there are similar opinions held by members of Plaid Cymru !!

WTF is is that party doing to itself ? Why doesn’t the leadership team insist that policies on matters like the language are key components of what the party is all about ? Or are they too busy planning the next march in support of some remote peripheral “cause” of no real relevance to promoting improvement of our lot here in Wales ?

Big Gee
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Why doesn’t the leadership team insist that policies on matters like the language are key components of what the party is all about ? Or are they too busy planning the next march in support of some remote peripheral “cause” of no real relevance to promoting improvement of our lot here in Wales ?

Some of us have been screaming that for decades dafis. It falls on deaf ears, and what’s worse, instead of getting better it seems to be getting worse. I think the solution is for Plaid to split up. The Labour loving core should move over to Carwyn’s mob and let the other remnant team up with true nationalists to form a new nationalist party.

More evidence this week of cosy ‘bedmates’ going off hand in hand – as one – to provide input in the form of a ‘single market’ argument in the Brexit discussions.

Carwyn and Leanne went up the hill – to fetch a pail of water,
Carwyn fell down & broke his crown,
And Leanne came tumbling after . . .

That scenario is what it’s actually about – hence the reason the Plaid leadership won’t stick the boot into ‘Welsh’ Labour and won’t stick up for Y Cymry for fear of upsetting their bedfellows. It’s the perfect mess, with the ‘Kippers’ & the Tories licking their lips in anticipation in the wings.

dafis
Guest

Gee says – “The voices struggling to be heard in Scotland are those of the two-in-five voters who backed Brexit” and I agree.

For some time Sturgeon’s stance and that of the SNP leadership team has grown to smell increasingly of that fishy phenomenon – groupthink. Not one of them even remotely acknowledges that a bold independence stance would mean EUexit as well as UKexit. It’s as though their inner confidence is not that robust and that they need access to someone else’s pot of gold and goodies rather than stand on their own 2 feet and trade their way out of any shit they might be in short term.

I respect much of what they have achieved thus far in rocking the Anglo Brit boat but their apparent model going forward is no more than tacking on to a new master’s regime rather than confronting their own destiny head on. Perhaps, after all, it’s just another charade, pretending to be revolutionary, rebellious when the reality is a touch more timid and compliant. On a personal level I sometimes wonder whether Ms Sturgeon and her lead boy in the Commons find Mad Maggie May a lot more difficult to handle than the wet Cameron with all his witty quips.

Big Gee
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Food for thought that last sentence dafis. I don’t know whether it’s the current ‘subject material’ or what, but I also detect less headway against ‘Mad Maggie May’. As well as the SNPs the same seems to be the case with Corbyn. She seems to have wrong footed them somehow – they seem off balance, but I can’t quite figure out how she does it. Maybe it’s her style – or maybe she possesses some dark force! I’ve never really rated her, but it seems that she’s quite awkward to manoeuvre isn’t she? She’s a bit like a human black hole that soaks up energy aimed against her. Of more concern is that she seems to be gaining a bit of popularity traction amongst the Sun & Mail readers within the English public – that’s a bad sign. Clever the way she’s dodged the Supreme Court judgement by immediately moving on. Cameron would have blushed & sneaked off to sulk in the corner.

Jac said: “also because it alienates those Scots who want real independence – of both London and Brussels“. That’s the very point I was trying to make, when I mentioned the two-in-five group. Ticklish ground, as I said she’d be better off biting her tongue a little on the Brexit circus, and let the dust settle a little in Scotland.

dafis
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Gee commented in last sentence – “as I said she’d be better off biting her tongue a little on the Brexit circus, and let the dust settle a little in Scotland.”

And that’s where the issue of personal management and control lies. I suspect that Ms Sturgeon has began to like the sound of her own voice ( I quite like it too ) but there are times when less is more. I think she got a flying start with the Indy campaign despite losing it, the GE and Scottish elections reinforced her convictions, but Brexit is really a no win because the EU doesn’t want to play on her terms, only use her as a distraction but leaving her no clout in the real skirmish to come.

The SNP lead boy in the Commons, Angus, is frankly embarrassing – is he the equivalent of a “posh boy” from Edinburgh or something ? . At least Alex would have snarled and bit his way through some of those PMQ’s and has a touch of intimidatory presence that is lacking in any opposition party leaders.

Big Gee
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True, VERY true. Ol’ Alex certainly has presence, and as you say, none of the opposition parties have that at present. It’s the missing ingredient.

On Ms. Sturgeon, I feel she was very impressive as Alex Salmond’s right hand, and that carried on after she took the reigns, however she’s become a bit less impressive of late. Lots of talk, but not so much to say unfortunately. If you haven’t got a lot to say you need to talk a lot less. Especially on certain subjects. With a bit more experience perhaps she’ll learn to choose her battlegrounds a bit more carefully.

dafis
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“human black hole” – that’s a top description of the P.M, soaking up energy and also emotion. Yet I suspect she’s emotionally unbalanced, or asymmetric, there’s some kind of disequilibrium there which is near the surface. I’m not a shrink but have had contact with all sorts of oddballs, deviants, psychopaths etc in business and after c.40 years exposure you end up smelling it long before you see it ! Will be interesting to watch the progress of the Brexit mission and also how she deals with the assorted nut jobs prancing around as leaders on the global scene.

di-enw
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Sounds like lecturing the neighbours on what wallpaper they should put up in their lounge while you’re living in a caravan in next door garden..

Big Gee
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And who’s fault is it that we live – in your words “in a caravan in next door garden“?

Does living in a caravan exclude you from making a comment about the wallpaper in your neighbour’s house?

There seems to be a very revealing little dark side of your character seeping out into these comments you’re making di-enw!

di-enw
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The reality is that few people who indentify themselves as being Welsh support the idea of Cymru being independent whereas nearly 50% of the people who identify themselves as being Scottish support the idea of Scotland being independent. Whatever reasons there are for this situation it’s obvious that when it comes do the desire for independence we’re not in the same league as Scotland.
In my opinion it’s presumptuous to lecture the Scottish independence movement for not wanting the kind of independence you think is best for them from the position of being part of an independence movement that is far less successful.

However if getting away from New World Order is your priority I can follow your reasoning for wanting an all or nothing form of independenc . Personally if independence for Cymru was offered on a plate I’d snatch it and leave any sorting out of the EU or NWO until after the Union Jack was lowered and Y Ddraig Goch went up in it’s place.

Big Gee
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You have the delusions and outlook of a child di-enw. I suggest you re-read what has been said about Scottish independence by me and others on here. No one has decried the need for Scottish independence – we all support it and hope for it to happen. What we HAVE commented on is the ridiculous stance Sturgeon is taking in the EU argument. It would be a case of jumping out of the frying pan and into the flames.

There is a myriad of reasons why the support for independence is greater in Scotland than in Cymru. Historically they’ve had a legal, economic and most importantly of all, an EDUCATION system of their own for centuries. As for us we’ve been lumped into the English system since the Acts of Union, and since the end of the nineteenth century the same education system as England. Then, given our closer proximity to the cities of England, we’ve been more colonised than Scotland. Add to all that the fact that the Scots have a genuine nationalist party with brains and balls (like they have in Ireland) whilst we are lumbered with the ‘Hide Behind The Sofa’ Plaid party – then even you should be able to work it out!

Anonymous
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I hear the secretary of Welsh labour just got a plum job at the welsh government funded learning and work institute. £60k.

dafis
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the stream of unsavoury disclosures continues …… Mr McEvoy at it again digging out a little gem about Finance Wales and its departed Chief Exec Sian Lloyd Jones who trousered a really tasty package during her last (part) year of service :

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/business/business-news/former-finance-wales-boss-received-12518031
The departing head of the Welsh Government’s investment arm had a £400,000 pay package – Wales Online

Here’s an organisation, with huge question marks over its role and how it’s been discharged, gleefully handing over an enhanced rewards package while the workforce at one of Wales’ major manufacturing locations rests at the painful end of an Indian sawn off shotgun being invited to abandon a key component of their much more modest rewards package.

Dirty deeds by people who have no conscience as they wade into the trough and slobber away until full to the gills. The sacrifice likely to be made by the good folk of Port Talbot should stimulate a similar gesture from our “national pig pen” but it’s more likely that they will try to grab even more just in case the cash runs out later.

Big Gee
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Nice one Neil!

What I want to know is why is this scrutiny left to the likes of the Neil McEvoys of this world? Why isn’t the Plaid leadership wading in? A far better cause than prancing about in London wasting time with single market arguments presented by our very own, home grown ‘Jack & Jill’ partnership – which is a pissing in the wind exercise and paid for by us. I know it isn’t a lot in the big picture of spending, but it’s the principle of the stupid exercise that counts.

Bloody disgraceful that someone can become a semi millionaire for six months work, paid for by the piss pot poor of our country.

Something is radically wrong somewhere isn’t it? And it’s initials are ‘LP’ backed up by ‘PC’.

dafis
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completely off topic, but quite irresistible in its anti-PC values, this quote from an OZ –

T. B. Bechtel, a City Councillor from Newcastle , Australia , was asked on a local live radio talk show, just what he thought about the allegations of torture of suspected terrorists.

His reply prompted his ejection from the studio, but to thunderous applause from the audience.

HIS STATEMENT : ‘If hooking up one towelhead terrorist prisoner’s testicles to a car battery to get the truth out of the lying little camelshagger will save just one Australian life, then I have only three things to say:
“Red is positive, Black is negative, and Make sure his nuts are wet”.

Big Gee
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Whilst T.B. Bechel is obviously reasonably versed in comic book torture techniques, his electrical knowledge is abysmal!

To practically make a 12v car battery deliver enough current flow to induce any pain, the resistance between the terminals has to be very low (typically a few Ohms). Unless the poor torture victim has a copper clad scrotum his usual skin resistance (typically thousands of Ohms ) to 12v would be enough to stop ANY current flowing – he wouldn’t feel a thing.

Under those circumstances not much information for T.B. Bechel then. God bless crass stupidity and ignorance of electrical & electronic science! In other words – what a FUCKING IDIOT – but there again we are talking of the land that’s spawned the Crocodile Dundee class.

dafis
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I said irresistible in anti PC values, not taking into account skin resistance, copper clad scrotum or otherwise ! What makes me chuckle is that this kind of zany line of thinking turns up on that infamous site Guido Fawkes in among a huge torrent of abuse aimed at the BBC’s Laura Kuensberg for asking a “meaningful ” question at the Trump/May love-in yesterday. The question was rather gauche and loaded and of course it was never answered by the podium players who wanted to focus on mutual admiration, blah blah blah.

Back to torture the comment attributed to one of those Generals signed up for a job with Trump was most revealing – something along the lines of “couple of beers and pack of fags is more effective.” What he didn’t go on to say was that normally the 2 interrogators guzzle the beers, have a few smokes and then proceed to beat the shit out of the prisoner !. Bad men those Yanks.

Big Gee
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Back to torture the comment attributed to one of those Generals signed up for a job with Trump was most revealing – something along the lines of “couple of beers and pack of fags is more effective.” What he didn’t go on to say was that normally the 2 interrogators guzzle the beers, have a few smokes and then proceed to beat the shit out of the prisoner !. Bad men those Yanks.

dafis
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On this wet Sunday afternoon, having had as much spiteful journalism as I can take both online and in the rag, I just happened upon your tweet regarding Trump, Brexit etc. This had caught my eye some time back and I copy it for the benefit of some of those who irritate you. It might at least make those of a left wing ( real as opposed to pseudo, and that cuts the field dramatically ! ) persuasion pause and reconsider.

“-Leftists who say we should stay in the EU bring to mind those awful radicals who stayed in the Communist Party of Great Britain even after the Soviets crushed the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. ‘Yeah, that was bad, but Soviet Communism is still a good idea,’ they said.

Now, even after the EU has imposed technocratic governments in Italy and Greece, treated the Irish government as a bunch of thick Paddies, libelled the French and the Dutch electorates for voting against EU treaties, and given rise to a Byzantine system of governance largely beyond the reach of Euro-plebs, they say: ‘Yeah, that’s all bad, but the EU is still a good idea.’

My question is this: how many crimes against liberty and democracy must be committed in the name of a ‘good idea’ before that idea stops being good? ”

As good a line of enquiry now as it was when written pre June 23rd 2016.

Come to think of it even so called right wing radicals who favour the EU experiment would do well to ponder on the same questions.

Big Gee
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Excellent – that sums it up nicely dafis. Anyone else care to defend ‘democracy’ and freedom of nations within the EU? Not much evidence to support your stand if you do care to try.

The EU is nothing but a great big fascist region that’s the harbinger of something much worse around the corner.

dafis
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Well Gee that failed abysmally. I thought that we would be treated to an immediate torrent of EU-phile sermonising from the assorted pro EU “rainbow” that allegedly resides here in Wales. And given that we’re on the net, we could have been lectured by an assortment of ethnic origins all jousting to be the best advocate for yielding to the benevolent dictates of the grey suits in Brussels and their agents. Or are we deemed souls unworthy of salvation, cast adrift to make our own way in the world while everyone else queues up for their rations from the EU goody bank ?.

Big Gee
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dafis bach – you sound almost despondent! I expected a little flurry – if not a gush of responses – you don’t think we’ve frightened them all away do you? Maybe they’re all sitting around their media trash boxes being topped up with propaganda or else watching something else really deep and thought provoking – like Tom Jones having a cry!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxX0Up_umoI
Or else X-Factor or Coronation Street! Now I feel depressed as well when I start thinking about how the masses are programmed to stop thinking.

dafis
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I guess I’m getting to that stage where I get my buzz from irritating a response no matter how irrational ! The trash box has much to answer for, although some of the cranks we get on here from time to time are more influenced by deeply embedded fear of the unknown, fear of change, and hostility to any kind of challenge to orthodoxy. Nature / nurture ? or is it just News at Ten and Newsnight ? topped up with soaps + Sun/Mail ?

The trash box gives a good insight into how we are herded into a mindset. I’ve taken to watching Homeland on C4 ( Sun 9.00 p.m probably repeated 3 or 4 times elsewhere ). Although tending to a good vs bad theme as preached by USA policy it offers just enough darkness and deviant behaviour to make it worth sitting through. The new series has a FEMALE President – elect, so obviously the script writers expected to see Witch Hillary get elected.
The real joke though is that this woman gets portrayed as a pretty naive dame whose son got killed in one of the USA’s recent campaigns and she’s so anti anything covert and devious. They have the usual mix of very dodgy and less dodgy CIA coves rushing around trying to duck this woman’s scrutiny ahead of her appointment and they look like they want to pull off a big hit before she gets into power and shuts a few doors. It’s fuckin’ funny because we know this kind of dame would never get on the list she’d have been shunted off to run social security or education pretty sharpish. And they all have some kind of personal problem which in real life would render them utterly unsuited to any long term appointment in that kind of work. Guess I should file it under black comedy really.

di-enw
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“I thought that we would be treated to an immediate torrent of EU-phile sermonizing”
“I expected a little flurry – if not a gush of responses – you don’t think we’ve frightened them all away do you? ”

Maybe there are some for whom independence for Cymru is the priority and even if they are also anti-EU are a bit embarrassed with your New world Order Illuminati conspiracy theory, sorry incontrovertible fact. So they keep quiet and indulge you for the sake of a united front against those who oppose a Welsh nation state.
Just a little theory but probably not the kind of buzz you were hoping for.

dafis
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I quoted some writer on 29th “-Leftists who say we should stay in the EU bring to mind those awful radicals who stayed in the Communist Party of Great Britain even after the Soviets crushed the Hungarian Revolution in 1956. ‘Yeah, that was bad, but Soviet Communism is still a good idea,’ they said.

Now, even after the EU has imposed technocratic governments in Italy and Greece, treated the Irish government as a bunch of thick Paddies, libelled the French and the Dutch electorates for voting against EU treaties, and given rise to a Byzantine system of governance largely beyond the reach of Euro-plebs, they say: ‘Yeah, that’s all bad, but the EU is still a good idea.’ ”

Now tell me what’s so NWO about those comments ? I defied those on the so called Left and some of those on the Right to pipe up as there seems to be a blind adherence right across the linear ideological spectrum to this “EU is good” line of patter. Could you enlighten us as you seem to be well up on these matters.

Dai the Post
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Meanwhile, back here in Cardi Bay the Cambrian News have run a nice picture of mrs Hinchey along with details of her £130 pa salary which has wound everyone up here in the office and around the town. Its no wonder they had to make some local redundancies here to help pay for her salary instead of repairing the houses. Josef has gone and IT is now being run from Cardiff office, Carl has gone, so we are a housing manager down,along with two others. Still no sign of the cambell tickell report being published so we are going to leak a copy to the Cambrian news on the day mrs Hinchey is speaking to the public accounts committee. Do you think they will dare to publish it after all of the free drink that was drunk by their journalists and the fine dining paid for by our tenants? The report tells it all. Maybe they should ask her about the deal she is doing in Llandrindod at present to find out how much Welsh cash is going to the English rsl over the border in exchange for the houses and their white flight tenants in situ? The news is all around the office by now and the surveyors are not happy. Whispers also that there is a fight going on for north wales housing association in the northern office – Penaf housing have been boasting that they have done the deal before wales and west this time, which means there will be a lot of wasted empty space in the new northern office just built. More to come soon…….

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