Jun 192016
 

As the title suggests, I am voting for the UK, but more especially for Wales, to leave the European Union. There are many reasons for this decision, some of which are set out below. And while my primary interest is Wales my concerns over the EU encompass wider, even global, issues.

THE BIG PICTURE

There have always been dreamers or idealists who’ve believed that the human race would be far happier if we had one, world government, and that wars could be avoided if we all spoke the same language. Nowhere has this belief been more explicitly stated than in those movies that see Earth threatened with alien invasion / destruction making us all pull together to defeat a common enemy. Heart-warming stuff that makes us proud to be Earthlings.

Away from the idealism I believe there really are powerful and influential people working towards a similar kind of global unity. Let me allay your fears for my sanity by making it clear that I am not talking now about anything as exotic as Illuminati or Knights Templar, Zionists or Nazis, let alone aliens or disguised reptilians moving among us. These are human beings not a lot different to you and me, just more ruthless, and greedy.

Among the more irritating ‘barriers’ to this one-world objective are nation-states, national identities, local governments, languages other than English, regional tastes and peculiarities. In fact, many of the things you and I cherish. So another objective for our Elite is to break down these ‘barriers’, and this is done by promoting the growth of supra-national bodies and encouraging the ‘homogenisation’ of the human race.

Perhaps it’s the absence of reptilian characteristics, but those I’m referring to are not easily identifiable, though many of them will be found at the regular meetings of the Bilderberg Group. (That said, the Bilderberg Group may itself be little more than a useful distraction for conspiracy theorists.)

Bilderberg1

Those I’m discussing are an ever-changing but self-perpetuating Elite that operates in the way secretive or semi-secretive groups have operated throughout history; that is, by infiltrating other organisations and also – more importantly – by recruiting those they see rising within the corporate world, the media, politics, the military and other fields. You cannot apply to join.

THE POLITICAL ROUTE

The best way to progress their strategy is by covering both bases in democracies where we find two major parties split along vaguely Left / Right lines, and then work through both of them. Achieved by largely removing ideology from politics and reducing political ‘debate’ to sound bites, photo opportunities, and taking up ‘positions’ that mean absolutely nothing.

In recent decades this blurring has been achieved in the USA, the UK, and other Western countries sharing such a political system. And yet, the rise of Trump, the support for Sanders, the election of Corbyn (even if it was achieved by the hard Left), and increasing support for populists and nationalist parties on the European mainland, presents our putative world leaders with the biggest threat their plans have yet faced. That’s because these hiccups warn them that across the Western world an increasing number of people believe they are ruled by elites out of touch with their concerns. And they’re right.

The Washington Post and the New York Times rail against Trump, ridicule his supporters, but those putting their faith in the Republican presidential candidate are not all gun-toting rednecks; they are people who have seen their jobs exported to low wage countries and their living standards fall, who have seen their patriotism exploited by one pointless and expensive war after another, who have lived through a recession caused by the reckless and criminal behaviour of people who all escaped punishment, who have seen the America they grew up in change around them.

To summarise: the aspiring world Elite has been clever in taking over the political centre ground and using that control to cast the cloak of moderation over its own ambitions. To the extent that anyone outside of the imposed boundaries of ‘responsible’ debate automatically becomes ‘dangerous’, or an ‘extremist’.

You know how clever this Elite has been when you hear socialists defend the EU for what it’s done for workers rights, and women’s rights, and God knows what other acts the bruvvers hold to be virtuous. I say that because the EU is merely a halfway house to the world our Elite craves.

The EU serves to lull us into a resigned acceptance of vague and distant government over which we have no control, but disguises its intentions by doling out goodies to appease the gullible. The question I would ask those currently defending the EU is this, if the Elite I’m describing achieves its objective of an unelected global government that cannot be removed, do you really think they’ll still be handing out goodies?

THE WORLD OF HARRY LIME

If we would seek a birthplace for this Elite, then it has to be the USA. There’s a temptation to assume that it grew out of that bogeyman of ’60s activists and folk singers, the military-industrial complex, but I believe we need to go back further.

In the first decade or so following the end of World War Two Europe was a very uncertain place. Not only were the Soviets camped in the east but in the west communist parties almost came to power through the ballot box in Italy and France. This frightened both the USA and the European elites trying to re-establish themselves after the disruption of World War Two.

There were a number of initiatives used to counter the communist threat to western Europe. First there was NATO, with the Treaty signed on April 4th 1949. Next came the forerunner to the Common Market and the EU, the European Steel and Coal Community, announced by Robert Schuman in May 1950.

Gladio

Taking the fight to the communists was Gladio. Formed as a ‘stay behind’ force in the event of a Soviet invasion Gladio developed into a terrorist organisation, using false flag attacks – as part of the Strategy of Tension – to lose the Left political support and justify repressive legislation. This culminated in the 1980 Bologna train station massacre, which was initially blamed on Left-wing terrorists but was actually carried out by fascists directed by the Italian secret service.

Operation Gladio can be traced through NATO back to the Pentagon and the CIA. Unsurprisingly, no one likes to talk about Gladio nowadays.

Finally, we had the first meeting of the Bilderberg Group at Oosterbeek in the Netherlands in May 1954.

I don’t want to dwell too much on this aspect of recent European history partly because it’s all rather distasteful, but without appreciating what was happening in the decades following WWII, it’s not easy to understand where we are today. The Strategy of Tension that invents enemies or exaggerates threats in order to justify repression is something that all governments employ to some extent. How far they’re prepared to go along this road depends on how serious they regard the challenges facing them. Though when the strategy is externally controlled then national governments may not even be consulted.

By the late 1980s we were into the brief era of Glasnost and Perestroika. There were many now in the USA who believed that their country had rescued Europe from the Nazis, had then pumped in huge amounts of cash to re-build Europe, before saving us from the Communists, and that all this entitled the USA to some control over Europe. And some tangible benefits from that control.

NATO, RUSSIA AND TURKEY

The Soviet Union and its former Warsaw Pact allies falling apart after 1990 should have meant the end of NATO, a military alliance set up to counter the spread of Soviet communism. But no, NATO has continued to grow, and all in one direction – eastward, seeking to encircle Russia.

Thankfully, people are waking up to the threat to peace posed by NATO. This very recent statement by German Foreign Minister, Frank-Walter Steinmeier, sums up many people’s fears, my own included.

NATO and the EU work hand in hand. It begins by, typically, exaggerating the threat of Russian aggression to frighten eastern European states into joining NATO, with membership of the EU offered as a sweetener. For a post I wrote in February I drew up a little table showing how joining NATO is invariably rewarded with EU membership. I reproduce a slightly amended version here.

NATO EU Rev

Turkey is the obvious anomaly, but rest assured, the Turks have been promised EU membership . . . by the USA. Though it’s proving to be a hard sell. For a clear majority of the EU’s people do not want Turkey as a member, but the promise has been made and now a way must be found to give Turkey EU membership, or, at least, the benefits of EU membership, and this can only be done by denying the people of Europe a say in the matter.

Turkey, that refuses to acknowledge its genocide against the Armenians. Turkey, a country waging constant war against its Kurdish minority. Turkey, friend of ISIS. Turkey, the Islamist dictatorship on the borders of Europe. We are supposed to welcome this country into the EU simply because it’s a loyal ally of the USA in its power struggle with Russia! I’d rather have Russia in the EU.

THE CAMPAIGN

What I’ve written should explain why President Barack Obama has made a number of interventions in support of the UK staying in the EU. In one speech he went as far as saying that we would be punished if we left the EU. (The BBC report I’ve linked to suggests that Obama was ‘doing Downing Street’s bidding’. Do these people understand nothing!)

The USA wants the UK to remain in the EU for the very reasons President de Gaulle wanted to keep the UK out – because the UK (more especially, England) will always act as Uncle Sam’s Trojan Horse. The UK in the EU will make life easier for major US corporations, and continue to isolate and taunt Russia. The Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership should be a warning to everybody.

The campaign itself has been distinguished by its lack of honesty, the absence of rational let alone intellectual discourse, and now, as I write this, by the hysteria surrounding the murder of MP Jo Cox.

Apparently her killer, rather than being an unhinged saddo, living alone and friendless since his granny died, is a ruthless assassin with links to US white supremacists, the apartheid regime in South Africa (toppled 22 years ago!), and motivated by his hatred for the EU. To believe much of what I’ve heard and read in the past 72 hours, the murder might as well have been committed by Farage, Gove and Johnson.

Something else worth mentioning about this killing is that once again we see the Elite and the Left in harmony. In times past of course, in the good old Gladio days, the Elite would have been targeting the Left, but currently the threat to the Elite’s agenda comes from the Right, both in the USA and in Europe, and so public opinion must be mobilised against that threat.

Western Mail Jo Cox

The ‘National Newspaper of Wales’ on Saturday told us, ‘Wales united in grief’ – for a woman we’d never heard of until she was murdered! ‘National grief’, if such a thing exists, is surely reserved for tragedies like Aberfan or, if we are dealing with individuals, then someone the nation knows and loves.

Also on the front page the Mule told us that the “Nation stands together to remember MP Jo Cox”. No, not really; it was just a few politicians campaigning. This killing was a truly horrible deed, but God Almighty! it has been shamelessly and distastefully milked by the Remain camp.

Elsewhere we have had various groups coming out in support of remaining in the EU, including of course (drum roll) ‘The World of Showbiz’. But what sort of moron is influenced in making a very important choice by a soap opera ‘star’? Come to that, why do luvvies believe that anyone with an ounce of sense gives a toss about their opinions? Is life for them one big Graham Norton Show?

The BBC and the rest have played ball to the extent that just about anyone arguing against EU membership belongs to the ‘Right Wing’ or the ‘Extreme Right’; and is ipso facto a ‘racist’ or a ‘fascist’. It seems that in the modern political spectrum there is naught but a wasteland between the advance guard of the Fourth Reich and the cuddly and ‘responsible’ Centre-Right represented by Cameron, that merges seamlessly into the Centre-Left.

Which is strange, really, because somewhere in this ‘wasteland’ is where I locate myself, and I know that the neighbourhood is becoming daily more popular.

And yet, the irony, not lost on anyone who follows and analyses what goes on in the world, is that the Elite-NATO nexus has not hesitated to fund and to arm overtly fascist groups in Croatia, Ukraine and elsewhere. So the message is clear – there’s nothing wrong with fascism per se but the jackbooted ones must be on the ‘right’ side.

Of course, there’s no escaping the fact that this debate is essentially a Left / Right split. Perhaps this was inevitable, and I have no problem with it. What I do take issue with – and not just in this referendum campaign – is that many on the Left seem to believe they are both intellectually and morally superior to their opponents. In their eyes I am both stupid and evil for writing this.

THE EU

There’s no avoiding it, I suppose; we must discuss the beast itself. Though I don’t really want to spend too much time on it. Let’s start by going back in time a bit.

Given my admiration for General de Gaulle, his l’Europe des patries held some attraction. Then there was the alternative of a fully federalist model that promised to do away with the existing nation-state and perhaps revive Europe’s ancient regions and submerged nations.

But whichever model was chosen I believed – influenced by books such as The American Challenge – that the ambition should be a continent standing up to both the USA and the Soviet Union. A beacon to the rest of the world, offering a real alternative that balanced individual freedoms with collective responsibility for the less fortunate.

The bureaucratic aberration we see today results from neither of those options I considered all those years ago. The EU today is little more than the political wing of NATO. The EU was long ago adopted by the Elite as a vehicle to carry forward its agenda. The EU today, given these links, and how NATO and the Elite provoke Russia, may even be a threat to peace.

Fallon NATO

From The Telegraph online, article by Laura Hughes

I suppose I also have to address immigration seeing as this is said to be the most important single reason for people in the UK wanting to leave the EU. My position is quite simple; genuine refugees should be taken in, but economic migrants should not be allowed to enter the EU unless needed. As for migration within the EU of EU citizens, well, that’s part of the package, the only way to stop it is to leave.

The reason the issue is so fraught, and divisive, is that with immigration we once again see the unholy alliance between the Elite and the Left. The latter seems to believe that Europe should take in just about anybody, with few if any checks. (The attitude that led to the wake-up call of New Year’s Eve in Cologne, where the attackers were not refugees from Syria or Iraq but young, and mainly illegal, male migrants from North Africa.)

The Hard Left cries crocodile tears over refugees but in reality it views immigration as just another weapon in its ongoing war against the corrupt and capitalist West. (Yawn.)

The Elite of course supports uncontrolled immigration because this is a force for homogenisation, and also because it drives down wages. But using the mainstream media to vilify as ‘racists’ all those who have reservations about immigration is insulting to tens of millions of decent people across Europe, and it will backfire.

It is already backfiring, on both sides of the Atlantic. The Austrian establishment suffered a bit of a shock recently when Austrians nearly voted in a Freedom Party president. (Note that for the Grauniad the FPÖ is a “far-right party”.) Now new President Christian Kern is considering introducing legislation to ban the peaceful – but embarrassing – protesters of the Identitarian movement. “We have to think about whether we are too tolerant”, says Kern. Chilling words.

The conundrum for the Elite, and indeed for those who like to project themselves as ‘moderate’ and mainstream politicians, can be spelt out thus: For reasons commendable or not you want immigration, but you don’t want the political drift to the Right that challenges your authority and your plans. Yet uncontrolled immigration – even the perception of uncontrolled immigration – will always drive many voters to the Right.

I shall end with one final example of how out of touch those running this circus are with the ordinary people of Europe. One issue that I guarantee unites people across Europe is their contempt for tax havens, so beloved of the Elite. Yet Europe has a tax haven at its very core, it’s called Luxembourg.

WEXIT

When I joined Plaid Cymru back in the mid-’60s there was no question that the party believed in independence. There was no debate over the issue; it was independence, a seat at the United Nations and all the other trappings of statehood. The problem was that this inevitably raised the response that accused us of wanting to ‘cut Wales off’. (‘Cut’ being an emotive and loaded word in almost any context.)

Then along came the Common Market, and Plaid Cymru seized the opportunity to promote ‘Independence within Europe’ which, it was hoped, would avoid the damaging ‘cut’ riposte. It hasn’t really worked. In fact, UK membership of the EU has not made Plaid Cymru any more popular; it has simply allowed the party to pretend that Wales somehow has a real presence in Europe, while simultaneously arguing that independence is soooo twentieth century.

But the argument being pushed more than any other, by Plaid Cymru and the other parties, is that Wales ‘does well’ out of the EU. What this really means is that because Wales is relatively poor we get lots of hand-outs. It’s quite incredible to hear ‘Welsh’ Labour, largely responsible for Wales’ poverty, extol the benefits of EU membership for this reason.

Sleeping Dragon 1

There’s no doubting that Wales has received billions in EU hand-outs – but look around you, where are the benefits? The truth is, as I keep saying, far too much of this funding has been wasted building up a whole stratum of Welsh life beholden to the statist ‘Welsh’ Labour Party. It’s almost as if our politicians are afraid to do what’s best for Wales in case it gives us ideas.

Wales today is asleep, lulled into accepting a steady, subsidised decline. We are told by all political parties that we must be grateful for these dollops of cash because we can’t do anything for ourselves. Therefore we must stay in the EU to ensure the cash keeps coming. There needs to be a better reason than that.

Finally, I ask you to consider the reasons given, by different voices, for Wales to vote Remain, and then decide whether – like me – you don’t in fact view these as the ‘cold shower’ Wales needs to finally wake us up and get us moving in the right direction:

  • We shall lose the EU hand-outs and these will not be replaced by Westminster.
  • Leaving the EU will result in economic meltdown.
  • The City of London will be replaced as Europe’s No 1 financial centre.
  • Brexit is fundamentally English nationalism.
  • Post Brexit the UK will experience the most repressive and anglocentric government ever known.
  • Scotland will probably become independent.

I know I’m lining up with some unpleasant people (I see through them better than most), but the issue is too big to let personalities intrude. The European Union is a bureaucratic nightmare run by weaklings and a failure on every level. Worse, it no longer serves the interests of Europe’s peoples but those of a shadowy Elite that regards all nationalities, and all languages other than English, as obstacles to a world unified without the knowledge or consent of its peoples.

On Thursday you won’t just be voting on the European Union; a Remain vote will also be an endorsement of NATO’s dangerous Bear-baiting; of the Elite’s global control programme, and, possibly – more likely if democracy threatens to break out – a return to Operation Gladio.

You don’t want to live in this dystopian future, few do, but the wheels are already in motion. If you care about Wales, and if you want to see Wales survive and prosper as a nation in her own right, then you must vote to leave the European Union as the precondition for leaving the United Kingdom.

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Dennis Morris
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I share your thoughts on the EU referendum debate Jac. For me it’s simple, opt out of Brussels rule and await the oppression of English oops London rule. The domination of London rule will inevitably trigger another push towards Scottish independence thus spurring, hopefully, the sleepy population of Cymru into seeking its own quest for independence.

Marconatrix
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But once Scotland is gone, what is to prevent the English riding roughshod over Wales and very probably dismantling most of the existing (token?) Welsh institutions in a fit of redirected revenge?

Big Gee
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Scotland isn’t ‘going’ anywhere. That’s the scaremongering illusion that’s been conjured up by Unionists (break-up of the UK ‘family’ and all that crap we heard during the Scottish independence referendum). All it would mean is that they have the freedom to rule themselves. It’s not as if someone will have a big chainsaw to cut them off from the mainland, put a big barbed wire fence around them and then… Read more »
Colin
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Very interesting. I had a brief exchange of posts with Gwilym about this a few months ago and since then I have seen much evidence of this that had never been apparent before. I think I was very sceptical at first but now with the benefit of a little awareness can see what I couldn’t before. The whole subject is rather alarming to say the least, a “new world order”… Read more »
YBarddCwsc
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The logical conclusion of your argument is that we will not be allowed to leave the EU. Either the vote will be rigged. Or we will have to vote again with a ”revised package” (just like the Irish and Greeks had to keep on having referendums till they got the right answer). I have voted Leave. I suspect if Leave win, then we will have to vote again. At a… Read more »
Stan
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Very interesting angle on the reasons for OUT, Jac. I’m voting Out too, for many reasons. I’m encouraged to read YBarddCwsc’s words about corruption etc – he/she has first hand knowledge – that’s the best kind of evidence. I take the view that if the EU has been so damned good for us over all these years, why is Wales so piss poor? Answer – partly because we have a… Read more »
YBarddCwsc
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Stan, thank you for the information on Brendan Cox. Very interesting. I have not seen this mentioned elsewhere.

Given this level of nepotism, I suspect the initials of the next MP for Batley and Spen (an uncontested by-election) are …. BC.

Blair
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I am a member of Plaid Cymru and I shall be voting Leave (funnily enough as are nearly all the Plaid voters and most of the members that I know). I went canvasing quite a lot in the run-up to the Assembly elections and it was obvious that what you would call the traditional working class were overwhelmingly for Leave. I think Labour are going to be in for a… Read more »
Big Gee
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I’m so pleased at the result of your research and the contents of your latest post Jac – well done! Thank goodness you’ve incorporated the ‘big picture’ and have not been staring at a corner of the canvas as the less enlightened amongst the public, who are campaigning in this referendum, are doing. I’m also so please that others on here have had a deeper think about things from a… Read more »
Debbie Shanahan
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Thank You Jac,

Albert Hill
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Looking at twitter I’m surprised that the Remain wing of Plaid don’t seem to be very active, their little middle-class hearts don’t seem to be in it somehow. Just a bit of the usual snobbery – you know how only stupid, uneducated types could possibly want to miss out on all that euro lovery. Poor old Syd Morgan seems to be getting a bit anxious about it all though, I… Read more »
Anonymous
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From numerous discussions with Leave supporters together with reading this article and replies it’s clear that there is a huge diversity of expectations amongst Brexiters, including complete opposites. An expectation/hope here that it will result in Welsh independence while with others it’s putting the Great back into Great Britain. The only thing in common is seeing voting Leave as the key to a personal desire being realised. It’s simply not… Read more »
Red Flag
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it’s clear that there is a huge diversity of expectations amongst Brexiters,

There’s an equally huge diversity of expectations among Remainers as well when really, if they win, all that will happen is everything will carry on the same – which is not what most Remainers actually want.

Big Gee
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I don’t think you’ve taken in the full import of how key the maintaining of the EU ‘block’ is to the elites. No one is naive enough to believe that the UK leaving the EU will stop the agenda of the ‘New World Order’ in it’s tracks, however, it will badly interfere with their ultimate goal. That is why the huge panic, and the throwing of everything – including the… Read more »
Anonymous
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You aren’t the only one seeing dominoes falling and there are other Brexiters seeing them fall but in a completely different direction. For years the Labour party was telling voters in Wales that a vote for Labour was something grander and more important than just an MP in Westminster they the voters were part of advancing International Socialism and bringing about the fall of the Capitalist system. I imagine you’d… Read more »
Stan
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Certainly agree with Big Gee on that domino effect. It’s obvious from the increasingly belligerent comments from high ranking EU politicians that it’s a real “squeaky bum” time for them. They can picture the prospect of the whole house of cards falling at their feet and they are crapping themselves at the thought. One of the mantras of the Remain camp is about “Leading” not “Leaving”. But what better way… Read more »
Ifan
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Thanks for the interesting post Jac. I too have wrestled with this issue, but eventually came down on the Remain side, for reasons I’ll explain shortly. I don’t think the whole ‘world government’ thing is particularly new, as you say. It was the stated aim of liberalism from the start to break down barriers and create a world government. The reasons we didn’t get that however is that everyone thought… Read more »
Anonymous
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I agree, the best referendum result for Wales’s independence ambition is the Celtic countries locking England into the EU or England locking the Celtic countries out. I find it bizarre that many Welsh Nationalists aren’t seeing this logic which suggests a much more certain direction for any dominoes to fall.

Big Gee
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You make some some good points Ifan, IF all that you are using to arrive at your conclusions is the surface stuff that we are being fed by the system, through their dedicated media mouthpieces, that many believe is neutral and balanced truth reporting. That is not the reality. The information that is being presented is carefully processed, so that you and other members of the public (along with many… Read more »
Ifan
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I think you’re over-complicating things a tad. There isn’t a worldwide NWO conspiracy, as there doesn’t need to be. The basic problem, which is clear for all to see, is – as we would say in Welsh – ‘i’r pant y rhed y dwr’. It is easier in a low-tax capitalist system for those who have money to make more money. The result is the opening of a huge gulf… Read more »
Big Gee
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I challenge you to find anyone that is a bigger anti capitalist than me. I would dearly love to blame capitalism for all the woes in the world – but it ain’t so. Capitalism – manipulation through money – is simply ONE tool in the arsenal of the ones that are behind the New World Order conspiracy. It is a control tool, try living without a bank card or wages… Read more »
Anonymous
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Conspiracy theories of which “New World Order” is an example gain popularity because they are seductive. For those who desire a reason for why things are as they are and why we seem powerless to change things the NWO offers a simple convenient explanation. In this case an all powerful interconnected elite are responsible for the ills of the world. Those who promote the idea offer no real evidence apart… Read more »
Big Gee
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You poor gullible, malleable and misguided ‘subject’ – totally programmed aren’t you? What REALLY pisses me off is the poo-pooers who have not done a shred of research themselves, but spout crap that they’ve heard others spout, because throughout their whole life they’ve been brainwashed to react in just the way you have in your post. These are the ‘repeaters’ often typified by the lazy journalists in our media, they… Read more »
Anonymous
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On the Freedom of Speech article comments section at Anonymous 08/06/16 09:40 I provided you with links showing categorically that the term “Conspiracy theory” was used many decades before the CIA was created. The machinations of Housing Associations and the Labour Party in Wales, the British nationalist propaganda of the press and BBC for example, these are not “Conspiracy theories” for reasons 1. There is actual evidence and not just… Read more »
Anonymous
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There is a difference. The position of there being a God is not falsifiable and requires faith. The position that a world government exists is falsifiable because it has definable characteristics that could be disproven with relevant evidence. As such it can be theoretically established in a way that does not require faith.

Anonymous
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We cannot prove that either God or the NWO doesn’t exist therefore both are non falsifiable at least to the devout.
“Proof” for believers of both relies on observing x and attributing it to y without evidence for the mechanism linking them.

Anonymous
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You suggest yourself that a NWO is falsifiable to the non devout. That is the difference. Faith is not necessary when there are falsifiable characteristics, evidence finding is necessary. For instance one falsifiable criteria could be whether there is high power decision making being more locally cocentrated? If so then the NWO theory is rocked. God can’t be analysed in this way. A entity that may be hidden is either… Read more »
Big Gee
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You’re sleepwalking in a zombified stupor. You’ve also missed the point, regarding the use of the term “conspiracy theory”. It’s the negative connotation of the term that has been developed to encompass the way the term is used that I’m drawing attention to, as I’ve written above “it was the Central Intelligence Agency that likely played the greatest role in effectively “weaponizing” the term“. Obviously “where it ain’t you can’t… Read more »
Anonymous
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The term “conspiracy theory” was invented in 1905 so as to have a negative connotation. Whoever wrote the book that told you the CIA invented the term was wrong either through incompetence/laziness or by deliberate deceit. The modern day myth that educated people believed that the earth was flat in medieval Europe is not true. In Europe the Greeks had the idea of a spherical earth and it remained in… Read more »
Big Gee
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I won’t waste any more of my energy on a bigoted automaton. You’re obviously a sad case of a close-minded and rigid object of the system. People perpetuate false information, often unknowingly, because they are quoting or relying on other people’s information. Each of us needs to engage in independent objective research, and always use critical thinking when reading the “research” of others. Think for yourself, instead of thinking the… Read more »
Colin
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It’s very easy to dismiss the NWO conspiracy as far fetched bollocks dreamed up by deluded nutters who need to get out more. No one was more sceptical than me, especially when poor David Icke is on the case, let’s face it the man is seen with nothing but ridicule by 99% of the world who have heard of him but what if the man is right? Do the research… Read more »
Big Gee
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Diolch Colin

Brychan
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I agree with Ifan. I’m voting to remain. My problem with the EU is that it has allowed the sponging Taffiata to grow rich on EU handouts in Wales, money which is intended to ease the poverty in the valleys, but all it’s used for is to give cushy non-jobs to middle class, often Labour Party members, or even English incomers to ‘manage’ funds because the natives are ‘not able… Read more »
Brychan
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I was wrong in my previous comment saying “the chopsy blame the immigrants people in the valleys don’t vote”. They did. These are the disaffected Labour voters who also wanted to give Cameron and the ‘establishment’ a kicking. The vote was very close in RCT. Plaid got their vote out for remain in Rhondda but the residual Labour vote and the Cynon and Taff-Ely lost it to Leave. Inevitably there… Read more »
Cymrobach
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Very interesting Jac and it goes without saying,I respect you and your exposures immensely. I had committed myself to a yes vote but am now having serious concerns about this choice.i suppose deep down I agreed with all you said but thought.we could (a) change the EU from inside or (b) leave as an Indy nation if we couldn’t ,but am now wondering if it is in Wales’ best interests… Read more »
Big Gee
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ON THE JO COX SUBJECT IN CONTEXT OF THE EU REFERENDUM

This is a ‘must listen to’ interview with Piers Corbyn (yes brother of the other Corbyn) on the Richie Allen Show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xn_O4jfS6M

Brychan
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Following the English / Russian hooligan skirmishes in Marseille, The Polish fans are now on the rampage in Nice. So far 100 cars have been valeted and waxed, 50 boilers repaired and 5 walls have been built on time at the quoted price.

Support Wales in Europe by sending this man home…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHcwa33I8UY

Cymru Rydd
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As a Welsh nationaIist, I find myself in the slightly peculiar position of intending to vote Remain as an assertion of Wales’s national identity, in a referendum which is in essence a vote about Independence for England, but actually wanting Leave to win! It is odd to find myself in agreement with people like Boris Johnson and Michael Gove, but I think that their central argument about the complete lack… Read more »
Albert Hill
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If your hope is for an independent Welsh state I can’t see how voting Remain helps. For Brussels the nation state is the problem. It is a body that causes war and bloodshed for its near neighbours, which is a leading exploiter of the third world, that has made collectivist solutions to social ills unconstitutional and always supports the big corporations against localism. We can all see that the EU… Read more »
Anonymous
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Of the 28 sovereign member states of the EU there are two with populations up to 50% higher than Wales -Croatia 4.2 and Ireland 4.6 and seven with populations lower than Wales – Cyprus 0.8, Estonia 1.3, Latvia 2.0, Lithuania 2.9, Luxemburg 0.6, Malta 0.4 and Slovenia 2.0 (figures in millions to nearest 100 000). All apart from Ireland and Luxemburg gaining membership since 2004. Three others have populations of… Read more »
Anonymous
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“…and always supports the big corporations against localism.” It’s British business mentality that’s obsessed with the here and now bottom line. It’s the EU not Westminster that is responsible for getting PGI, Protected Geographical Indication, implemented across the EU. An effect is that it protects local producers and their workers from big corporations. For example Ginsters have to make their Cornish Pasties (granted PGI in 2011) in Cornwall and even… Read more »
Colin
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For me, I want out of the EU, I want out with a passion, I have many reasons ranging from bent bananas, £161m wasted weekly to stay to the main subject of this post. I cannot think of a single reason why we should stay if we ever wish to gain our independence from England rule. We could be a great little nation if we only believed in ourselves and… Read more »
Anonymous
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If it’s a Remain vote you can at least rest easy regarding your bananas. The curved shape of a banana is referred to in Commission Regulation (EC) No. 2257/94 but it only really applies to “Extra class” bananas. I’ve only seen “Class 1” and “Class 2” bananas for sale but I imagine a guest staying at the Hilton or Ritz might expect the superior curvature of a “Extra class” banana… Read more »
Colin
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I would imagine that a guest staying at the Ritz might be more grateful for a dead pigs head in their room than a bent banana but maybe a bent banana is all part of the game.

So back on track, what was this weeks posting all about? Oh yes, shadowy elitist groups

Big Gee
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It’s amazing me how everyone is sucked in and duped into hypothetical debates on subjects that are totally irrelevant to the reality, and which have been hand-picked for you to debate over. Will someone please put on some wide angle lenses so that they can see the big picture on a global scale. Do you not realise that all the shit you’ve been fed via the media, and the subject… Read more »
Myfanwy
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Yes, I think you are right Jac, after all the EU was a CIA project from the outset and with the likes of Obama, Soros, the banks, Mandelson, Blair et al willing us all to vote remain, that should be a good enough reason to vote out. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/04/27/the-european-union-always-was-a-cia-project-as-brexiteers-discov/ Not that the exit crowd are any better, but at least We will have the democratic right to vote them out in… Read more »
jim
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interesting reading as usual, althugh i have voted remain, but have doubts as a result of what the Eurocrats did to Greece, which was shocking, & the way they have dealt with refugees amongst other things. The problem i have with the Leave camp , especially here in Wales is the quality of their argument and the fact that they are a load of wankers. The other thing is the… Read more »
Big Gee
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I wouldn’t blame the “immigration diatribe” on the death of Jo Cox, I would focus more on who was also behind the Dr. Kelly (bad suicide Joke) and the strange cases of others like Robin Cook (a healthy fit man suffering a heart attack out of the blue on a mountainside). I don’t believe in coincidences. All these odd deaths and even stranger media reports afterwards all happened when the… Read more »
Myfanwy
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Interestingly, the judge presiding over the Jo Cox case also presided over the Lee Rigby case and made the controversial decision of deciding that Lord Janner was not fit to stand trial on multiple child abuse charges! To add to what you have already mentioned, about the convenient timing of such a shocking event etc which could only benefit the leave campaign, is how difficult it is to understand how… Read more »
Stan
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Peter Hain, Stephen Kinnock, Tony Blair, Alastair Campbell…………..your boys took a hell of a beating. And I’m over the frigging moon! You can take a donkey to water, but you can’t make it drink. Your disgusting, negative campaigning based on fear, name calling, dog whistle politics, outright lies, and also plumbing the depths of invoking the tragic murder of an MP, has had its just desserts. You’ve been found out… Read more »
glynadda
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Gweler Blog Glyn Adda.

Big Gee
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“Cyfuniad eithafol od, â Chaerdydd, Bro Morgannwg a Sir Fynwy !” beth ddigwyddodd i Geredigion yn dy adroddiad? Dyna’r mwyaf ‘od’ o’r cwbl! Ond dyna fe, i Gardi genedigol fel fi, gwn yn iawn pam i Geredigion bleidleisio i aros. “Yffarn dân bois! Beth fydd yn digwydd i’r ARIAN sydd yn mynd mewn i’r boced ar y ffarm o’r coffor ym Mrysels? Ffycio’r rest ohoni nhw – beth am y’n… Read more »
Brychan
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There will be no such place as Ceredigion. It will be re-named Cardi del Sol. The best part of a million English ‘ex-pats’ who have retired to Andalucia and Costa-del-Sol, and as EU citizens, have benefited from free healthcare, UK state pension top-ups and even winter fuel allowance. These “ex-pats” are now on the move. The can sell their beachside villas to the Dutch and the Germans, and return to… Read more »
dafis
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nothing stopping native Welsh from withholding on Sales to undesirables ……oh I forgot, greed is still a major instinct in our makeup ! Seriously though some form of enforcement is required otherwise that scenario could come to fruition and having a bunch of relatively wealthy, sick incomers could blow apart what remains of NHS in West Wales and indeed N.W.Wales. It would also distort further the housing market shutting even… Read more »
Brychan
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There will be a significant proportion of the elderly ‘ex-pats’ on the Costa’s who will not be able to purchase property in Wales outright, and they will not be able to get a top-up mortgage due to age and local authorities will have a duty of care over them due to their frailty. However, they have no residual ‘native’ local authority connection back in in England. The five year residency… Read more »
dafis
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just back from a 7 day break, a time away from almost any form of comms ( mobile phone with voice and text capacity only, which I never used ! ). So I’m tuning into this for first time this evening, after today’s result was announced so the deed is done. I too voted to leave the EU. Like you I don’t take any shine to these big power blocs… Read more »
Stan
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I couldn’t leave Dafis’ reference to the murder of Jo Cox without showing this link from a Twitter post onto Stephen Kinnock’s pages yesterday. https://twitter.com/Antonywarren5/status/746543720284176384 The almost unbelievable cruel irony of this tweet by Cox. The metaphorical knifing of Corbyn by Jo Cox in early May obviously refers to a Guardian article she co-wrote after the May elections. She was highly critical of him which considering the support that Corbyn… Read more »
dafis
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On Jo Cox – my remarks did not relate to any of the infighting that may go on in the Labour Party or any part Jo Cox may have played in that. I was focussed on her suspicious death in the context of the EU Referendum and the possibility of attempted manipulation of an hysterical public reaction. Frankly I could not raise much enthusiasm for any of the assorted “gangs”… Read more »
Stan
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Dafis – your theory of who might have pushed Cox’s killer’s buttons may well be right but alas when these dark arts are at play it’s so difficult to get to the truth. Your post had me thinking of people like Hilda Murrell, Dr David Kelly, Daniel Morgan and the MI5 worker who mysteriously locked himself in a suitcase – sorry but can’t recall his name. There must be dozens… Read more »
Wavell
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JOKE OF THE YEAR

CARMARTHENSHIRE council leader Emlyn Dole has said the Leave campaigners “must keep their word” after the UK voted to exit the European Union.
Just like he did with promises of democracy and change in Carmarthenshire.

Stan
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And quip of the year. Stephen Kinnock unexpectedly just pulled out of Swansea Half Marathon on Sunday – by my reckoning to sharpen the proverbial knife intended for Jeremy Corbyn on Monday. So some guy asks him on Twitter “Is that because snakes don’t run?”

dafis
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Reading the quip you would think he’s a bit of a comedian, especially with a name like that, but when you see him, well …………..drip is the nicest thing that comes to mind.

Cymru Rydd
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It’s been an absolutely momentous few hours. I’m still reeling with all the political and constitutional implications. Talk about the law of unintended consequences…….: Who would have thought that it would be Eton toff David Cameron that would allow ordinary people in these islands a vote where their voices actually counted for once and an unparalleled opportunity to express their opinions about the direction our societ has taken over the… Read more »
glynadda
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Ateb Big Gee. Dim ond rhoi’r neges yn y blwch ‘gadael ymateb’, a’i anfon. Fe ddaw i mi wedyn i’w gymeradwyo. Diolch Jac.

Keith Parry
Guest

So we have got rid of Brussels. HOW DO WE GET RID OF LONDON?

Big Gee
Admin

Gwir y gair! Cymru Rydd.

Joe Smyth UKIP.
Guest

Great article, Jac. As there always are.

Colin
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So is “Plan B” going to be a second Brexit referendum?

Red Flag
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There will be no second referendum. It would be political suicide for the Tories and Labour.

anon
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Tories and Labour are in freefall. Farage said a 52-48 result would need a 2nd referendum.

All this shows is the duplicity of politicians that the bulk of the vote was about

Big Gee
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This is my last post for a little while – off to Dyfnant (Devon) for a week or so in the morning. If you need me for anything technical I can be contacted on my mobile Jac. I wonder if they’ll find that reptilian chancellor before I return – he seems to have disappeared into thin air. Don’t think he’s been nabbed by the ‘dark suits’ do you? Maybe we’ll… Read more »
dafis
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Hyfryd iawn Gwilym, siwrne hwylus. Wnes yrru drwy’r sir wythnose ddiwetha’ lawr a nol o Gernyw. Mae’n le hyfryd i gael wythnos o gerdded, myfyrio a cant a mil o bethe eraill, megis bwyta ag yfed !

Nat
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Hi. Leanne has now floated the idea of a coalition with Labour in an attempt to “save” Wales. Maybe she should have a look at Lord Ashcroft’s latest polls, one of which (Table 5, Question 4) breaks down Leave/Remain voters by how they voted in GE2015. This shows that amongst the Plaid voters that Lord Ashcroft polled, 33 voted Leave and 39 voted Remain! I know that this is a… Read more »
Nat
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Sorry in my jubilant haste I got the figures for Plaid voters wrong. They were actually 39 Leave, 33 Remain!

I hope that Leanne Wood and her progressive pals are gone soon and a real Welsh Independence Party emerges.

Colin
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I’m always a bit of a soft touch, despite the sage opinions give here about Plaid being the corpse in the chair, I was all for giving them a chance to see what they could do but the last couple of days has been an eye opener for me. I don’t believe that, a feminist conference? Time they did die off either that or …. off! We really need a… Read more »
Y Ddraig Las
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Plaid Cymru are cowards. Freedom of movement is over, why aren’t they arguing in favour of controlling immigration into Wales? This would be a massive vote winner.

Colin
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It would seem that way, I don’t think Leanne Wood should stay as party leader, Neil Mcevoy would be a better bet in my opinion, I think he would have the stomach for a good fight if he could get the backing of the rest of them. I might well be wrong there, I’m not the worlds most politically minded person

dafis
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lots of chatter about the older age groups swinging the Brexit vote, yet the only foundations for this insight are polls, the very things that created that frenzy of agitation prior to the vote. Sure they may have stopped a cross section of passers by on a few streets and then drew some inference from their responses ( if people respond honestly ! ) but to pan that out across… Read more »
Gareth E. Williams
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Brexit, so good England have done it twice!

Stan
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I love it! When people wonder if there could be an independent Wales I think it’s worth bearing in mind a country like Iceland that gets by on about one tenth of our population. A republic, took a hell of a knock following the global financial collapse, has its own language and you can’t get your tongue around most of the words, tourism a big player, can’t think of anything… Read more »
Nat
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Iceland exports fish and aluminium. Due to cheap electricity, generated from Iceland’s abundant geothermal energy, Iceland is one of the planet’s biggest aluminium producers.

Cymru Rydd
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It seems that Leanne Wood has responded to last Thursday’s vote by calling for the process of Independence for Wales to be speeded up, which all sounds well and good on paper. However, as someone who admires Leanne and vote for her in the Plaid leadership election, I’m not sure whether she is now the one to lead that campaign, being so heavily associated with the Remain argument which was… Read more »
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